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What is curious to me is how so many can be down and no-one is up - though I dont have a firsthand knowledge of serps that have shifted significantly you would think some webmasterworld member would have ridden the tide to glory but all this thread concerns is 25-75% loss, or break even, and that almost unanimously. My $.02 says that there is something going on in a larger perspective. Even Florida had those who survived and improved - generally they were the ones bucking the recipricol trend and concentrating on quality anchors from good sites ala hilltop.
I dont think we can chalk this up to adwords spam - there are to many practitioners who frequent WW. Either the gains are exclusivly being made by presences too large to hobnob with us little folk (which presumably would result in less complaining about the degredation of SERPS) or there is some larger patter to internet traffic or google traffic as a whole that we have yet to observe.
(Incedentally how is it that we get a 20 page thread on the next visible update every frickin' month?)
adsense is ruining google's results. The serps are overrun with spam sites designed to draw in traffic and peddle adwords.
Why should this be news? If someone attaches a value to something, how long do you think it's going to be before oter people start trying to find ways to exploit it for their own finacial gain?
but as i can see you too use google addwords in your europe page
Of course he does. It is also a great site. Many good sites use adsense, that's what it was designed for. However, there are also some sites which offer little or no content for the users, have pure spider-food for the SEs, and count on people clicking on the adsense ads out of frustration at the lack of content. If these sites are now moving up, it's a problem.
But adsense sites are not necessarily bad, just as ecommerce and affiliate sites are not necessarily bad, that's EFV's point. Adsense is not ruining the web any more than any other form of monetization, nor any less. When there is money at stake, some will try to earn it, others will try to scam it, that's how it always is.
Here is another example of poor serps. I run a college merchandise store and my site has tons of products. I've got hundred of links too. However, the serps are filled with fan pages that have that are completely irrelevant while I'm stuck on the 6th page.
Makes a lot of sense doesn't?
I run a site that sells widgets. With high traffic generic type queries I compete for positioning with other sites that sell widgets, sites that provide information on widgets, the manufacturers widgets, and a number of other widget related pages, and yes if makes sense for serps to be relativly unbiased and provide a variety of resources, if the searcher does not specify specifically what he or she is looking for how is google to know?
I have sites that place well and those that do poorly - but it is very rare indeed that I chalk up my own poor results to the ineptitude of an algorithm, or pretend to better know the various demographics that I deal with them 10,000 machines cabible of tracking every clickthrough.
Google may not be perect, nor is yahoo, nor is msn, msnbeta, or any other engine. Rather they (ideally) operate in response to user reaction foremost, and all else is a triviality.
Also, sites that are 6 months or more old are still obviously filtered. I don't believe you can make the assumption that if it's 6 months old or less, it's worthless.
If anything, the speed of change in this great world we live is getting faster not slower, yet Google is getting slower not faster.
Similarly backlinks have been updating at very small iterations. I think if PR was coming (or is rather) it will be in the next several days corresponding to the traditional shortly after backlink updates timing.
If it does not come by monday my vote is its going to be awhile. While I rejoyced when the green bar found its way into a firefox plugin, I think perhaps the third party clients phoning home without permission might be directly related to the wait.
My home page had a 6 PR in the toolbar until this morning, now it shows 0. One other page went from 6 to 0. All other pages, the PR is the same that it was before.
Should I be alarmed? Directory shows a 5 PR.