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Google PR -- Next Update?

   
7:15 pm on Aug 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello everyone. I'm a newbie to the forum and this is probably an old question, but it seems that google has not done a pr update in at least 2 months. Is this correct and does anybody know what is going on? Is there about to be a major change in how google calculates pr as well as the frequency?
11:19 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have not seen any significant loss of traffic - we dropped a single position for the term I am competitive for and most want to land solidly but had only gained that spot within the last week. In some cases I lost a second result on a handful of terms we do well with but nothing major. My industry is not adwords intensive - our "seo spam" is generally companies who sell businesses like mine customer RFQs (with my widgets said quotes pay better then adwords would).

What is curious to me is how so many can be down and no-one is up - though I dont have a firsthand knowledge of serps that have shifted significantly you would think some webmasterworld member would have ridden the tide to glory but all this thread concerns is 25-75% loss, or break even, and that almost unanimously. My $.02 says that there is something going on in a larger perspective. Even Florida had those who survived and improved - generally they were the ones bucking the recipricol trend and concentrating on quality anchors from good sites ala hilltop.

I dont think we can chalk this up to adwords spam - there are to many practitioners who frequent WW. Either the gains are exclusivly being made by presences too large to hobnob with us little folk (which presumably would result in less complaining about the degredation of SERPS) or there is some larger patter to internet traffic or google traffic as a whole that we have yet to observe.

(Incedentally how is it that we get a 20 page thread on the next visible update every frickin' month?)

11:55 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I get the sense that we're all hunting for, hoping for, any clue as to the emergency of a PR update. Maybe GG was serious about the quarterly thing. Then again, if this thread does get to 20 pages, maybe G will break loose some fresh green, toolbar-wise. (chuckle)
12:21 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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adsense is ruining google's results. The serps are overrun with spam sites designed to draw in traffic and peddle adwords.

Why should this be news? If someone attaches a value to something, how long do you think it's going to be before oter people start trying to find ways to exploit it for their own finacial gain?

12:23 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



adsense is ruining google's results. The serps are overrun with spam sites designed to draw in traffic and peddle adwords.

You could say the same thing about e-commerce and affiliate sites. Let's bring back the pre-1995 Web. :-)

12:33 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



<Let's bring back the pre-1995 Web>
but as i can see you too use google addwords in your europe page
12:41 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Seeing as though everyone is posting their reports of their sites dropping down the rankings, my sites are improving their rankings day by day in a manner i would expect them to improve (via good clean anchor texts)
Traffic is up, sign ups to my site is down. Confused!
3:01 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Googlers are busy counting their share's value after the IPO. :) The update will begin after the new millionaires buy villas and drive limos. At present nobody cares us poor webmasters hoping to see a little more green on the toolbar. :(
6:02 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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but as i can see you too use google addwords in your europe page

Of course he does. It is also a great site. Many good sites use adsense, that's what it was designed for. However, there are also some sites which offer little or no content for the users, have pure spider-food for the SEs, and count on people clicking on the adsense ads out of frustration at the lack of content. If these sites are now moving up, it's a problem.

But adsense sites are not necessarily bad, just as ecommerce and affiliate sites are not necessarily bad, that's EFV's point. Adsense is not ruining the web any more than any other form of monetization, nor any less. When there is money at stake, some will try to earn it, others will try to scam it, that's how it always is.

6:06 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here is another example of poor serps. I run a college merchandise store and my site has tons of products. I've got hundred of links too. However, the serps are filled with fan pages that have that are completely irrelevant while I'm stuck on the 6th page.

Makes a lot of sense doesn't?

4:36 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here is another example of poor serps. I run a college merchandise store and my site has tons of products. I've got hundred of links too. However, the serps are filled with fan pages that have that are completely irrelevant while I'm stuck on the 6th page.

Makes a lot of sense doesn't?


Quote frankly...yes it does

I run a site that sells widgets. With high traffic generic type queries I compete for positioning with other sites that sell widgets, sites that provide information on widgets, the manufacturers widgets, and a number of other widget related pages, and yes if makes sense for serps to be relativly unbiased and provide a variety of resources, if the searcher does not specify specifically what he or she is looking for how is google to know?

I have sites that place well and those that do poorly - but it is very rare indeed that I chalk up my own poor results to the ineptitude of an algorithm, or pretend to better know the various demographics that I deal with them 10,000 machines cabible of tracking every clickthrough.

Google may not be perect, nor is yahoo, nor is msn, msnbeta, or any other engine. Rather they (ideally) operate in response to user reaction foremost, and all else is a triviality.

10:46 pm on Aug 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Maybe if this discussion gets to 20 pages, Google will come through with some PR.

How about it?

2:05 am on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We are there now...
2:08 am on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just like my pages, still showing white.
3:38 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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From my analysis the Page Rank update is this coming weekend.
My stats peaked today, in relation to the last 4 mondays, and when this happens, the PR update happens the weekend after.
This is just one of a number of factors.
Anyone else have any hypothetical analysis?
3:59 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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stevenb 1959, but "stats" do you mean traffic. And if you do refer to traffic, would that still be true if you excluded bots?
4:10 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why would you want a greenbar update. A green bar update means that the SERPS do not change that day. The green bar change has nothing to do with the SERPS changing. Forget about the green bar. I use FF and never even see it any longer. Backlinks and age of backlinks are what makes a site valueable. I have PR5 pages that do better than PR6 pages. PR does not mean that much any longer.
4:21 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My sites show new backlinks and the directory seems updated too...

cheers
viggen

4:24 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I disagree. If PageRank didn't matter, Google would not display it in the toolbar.

Also, sites that are 6 months or more old are still obviously filtered. I don't believe you can make the assumption that if it's 6 months old or less, it's worthless.

If anything, the speed of change in this great world we live is getting faster not slower, yet Google is getting slower not faster.

4:45 am on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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All website traffic is what I mean.
3:59 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just checked my backlinks. All but one of the DCs showed substantial change. Does this portend a PR update or is it just another tease?
4:03 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If PageRank didn't matter, Google would not display it in the toolbar.

That is some very poor logic. I'm not saying it's not true just very poor logic.

4:11 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Of course PR matters, but what you see in the toolbar is not what Google sees. Assuming that the toolbar is anywhere near accurate is a mistake.
4:45 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It seems that my backlinks have been updated, or at least boosted. I used to have 14 back links for most of my main pages, now it's 420+. It really should be around 5,000 though.
5:02 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Toolbar PR does not mean anything.
5:17 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have PR5 pages that do better than PR6 pages. PR does not mean that much any longer.

That is some very poor logic. I'm not saying it's not true just very poor logic.

5:17 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yep, I can confirm that backlinks updated. No change in Toolbar PR tho.
5:21 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Toolbar PR does not mean anything.

Senor link trader, might not agree ;)

5:27 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google Directory is updated with new PageRank.
8:04 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Directory is updated - thats ODD as there was one less then a month ago (my site appeared at last position which was indicative of a change some months ago) and one very recently (our position has shifted to reflect things specific to the last several months). To me that is very indicative of some larger type changes.

Similarly backlinks have been updating at very small iterations. I think if PR was coming (or is rather) it will be in the next several days corresponding to the traditional shortly after backlink updates timing.

If it does not come by monday my vote is its going to be awhile. While I rejoyced when the green bar found its way into a firefox plugin, I think perhaps the third party clients phoning home without permission might be directly related to the wait.

9:00 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok, I have skimmed some of these 20 pages of posts for this topic, I just have a quick question.

My home page had a 6 PR in the toolbar until this morning, now it shows 0. One other page went from 6 to 0. All other pages, the PR is the same that it was before.

Should I be alarmed? Directory shows a 5 PR.

Thanks,

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