Other sites framing my content

are there duplicate content issues?

[mcavill]

I've just found a directory framing one of my sites index page with their toolbar on top of it.

Is this likely to cause any sort of duplicate content penalty?

[mcavill]

just had a bit more of a think about it, i guess it's not really a problem as most spiders don't do frames.

[cabbie]

I wouldn't like anyone to that to mine.I would be on to them straight away.

[jk3210]

Just wait until they start framing your entire site and serving THEIR ads over it.

[nmjudy]

I found several paid membership sites framing my website's content. I decided to insert javascript code in all my pages to "break out" of frames if included in one. If interested, the code is:

<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
if (window!= top)
top.location.href=location.href
// -->
</script>

[Kirby]

>i guess it's not really a problem as most spiders don't do frames.

where did you get that idea?

[netguy]

Here's another one...

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JAVASCRIPT" TYPE="TEXT/JAVASCRIPT">
<!--
if (self!= top)
{
top.location.href = self.location;href;
}
//-->
</SCRIPT>

This causes your page to always load in a full browser window. I wouldn't leave this in permanently, but it should solve your pesky short-term problem.

Steve

[nmjudy]

Netguy-
Why not leave the "break out of frames" code in the page permanently? Does it cause a negative effect with search engines?

[Stefan]

I've just found a directory framing one of my sites index page

When I find that I send an email telling them to cease and desist or I'll go right after them on copyright grounds. Occasionally it makes a difference.

There is no dupe content problem that I've seen. All the same, send them an email and tell them to knock it off or you'll mess them up, (use somewhat more diplomatic language).

[netguy]

nmjudy, I haven't seen any negative effects with the SEs - I just don't like to have the added code in my html.

It's the same with people stealing images. I don't mind the bandwidth as much as when I check my logs I have to go through all the added BS before getting to the real info. I convert them to text images that say 'stolen images,' which embarrasses them for a few days, then I pull it.

[nmjudy]

My site that gets included in framesets alot is a kids' site with educational flash games. Because hotlink protection doesn't work with flash movies (only jpg,gif,png), I had to come up with a different work-around. I was able to embed code in each flash game that detects the domain the game is being run off of. If the game isn't run from my domain, it gets disabled and I display a "not-authorized" page to the end user that says that the games are intellectual property belonging to my site. Frames allowed a work around for the thieves. Breaking out of frames solved problem #2. Wish we didn't have to spend so much time and energy protecting our work.

I had several sites that had my entire site in a frameset - the only email address I could send a copyright cease and desist to was my own!

[BigDave]

You should all read up on the case law around framing other's content before claiming that it is a copyright violation. The case law is a real mess in this area because there is almost always a settlement.

What you have going for you is that it will rarely be worth their time or money to fight you, and they will just stop framing you most of the time.

[ALbino]

Seeing as how Netscape frames outside content all the time and they're a PR9 site it can't be too bad for you.

[Stefan]

You should all read up on the case law around framing other's content before claiming that it is a copyright violation.

I don't have a legal leg to stand on when I threaten them with it, (I'm a Canadian citizen, the site is Jamaican, the US DMCA is no help to us)... it's just bluster that sometimes works. ;-)

I have frame-breaking code on some of the pages...

[mcavill]

thanks for the responses - I've used the framebreaking JS on another site - but like netguy I'm not too keen on leaving extra code in my pages and would prefer to catch it server side (and serve them something very special ;) )

Initially I wasn'y getting anything back from the http_referer variable - however, it seems to be working now, I'm just serving them a blank page with a link to my home page now.

spiders don't do frames

sorry, i know they do, i posted that just after looking at this directorys listings in google without explaining where I was cominig from. The directory shows a noframes version of the page, which G seems to have indexed, most of which are just title / no description, which I guess is because there are several thousand pages that are basically all the same - so they don't have a cache of my framed content which made me less worried...

<edited>
http_referer catching it...
</edited>

[Krapulator]

>>When I find that I send an email telling them to cease and desist or I'll go right after them on copyright grounds. Occasionally it makes a difference.

Seems a bit of an over the top thing to do when there is such a simple solution (js).

This is like newspaper websites threatening legal action against sites that deep link to their articles when they could easily implement a simple technological solution to solve the problem.

[ignatz]

Had this recently as well, korean sites were deep framing my site. In the end I wrote a php script to look at the referrer and serve up a blank page to connections from offending domains.

Infuriating isn't it?

[kaled]

...
top.location.replace(self.location.href);
...
has the advantage that the BACK button will behave better.

HOWEVER
Whichever method you choose, I suggest that you test it on all the major browsers. I've seen browsers go into infinite loops so I don't attempt it any more. However, I think it is only a problem if your own site uses frames too.

Kaled.

[doc_z]

Is this likely to cause any sort of duplicate content penalty?

No.

There is no duplicate content. The content of the noframe area is taken as content for the frameset page.

By the way, you are benefiting from the frameset due to PR which is passed to your page (assuming that the PR of the frameset page is greater than zero).