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Update Brandy Part 2

         

GoogleGuy

8:24 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


steveb, I believe the 64.x.x.x data center has the change, but I'm not positive. We use different terminology inside Google. :)

Powdork, I'm not sure if you'd call it an update exactly (different algorithms play more of a role than different data). But I'm guessing the change will probably roll out over the course of the weekend.

phidentity

6:11 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ouch for me.

2 Spammy competitors in top 10. My site - gone!

D'oh!

Jon

donpps

6:16 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Weird setup? My site is in Google Viewer but not main SERPS? ANy ideas why>

metrostang

6:19 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Agree with jane, not pre Florida.

Hope 64 is the real thing. Sites I've brought back since Austin stiill there and some I thought I had lost forever moved up to 2nd page position 12-15. In my sector, some of the fluff gone at the top. A step in the right direction for G.

With all the changes made to figure this out, if pre Flordia alog was applied to current content it wouldn't look like pre Florida.

Kwix

6:40 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy,
All is looking good, though more index pages seem to be popping up than sub pages (relavency). Much less spam and affiliate sites in the index, which is always a good thing. In my industry I had one competitor who's page www.domain.com/subdir/ was nothing more than a frame header page with text in the NOFRAMES section. Glad to see the competitors I have now are all working just as hard as I am to build content.

All in all, I have to say these SERPS look clean.

GoogleGuy

7:03 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's right, brakkar. The keyword I'll be looking for is "brandyupdate" as all one word, either by email to webmaster [at] google.com or via a spam report.

Bleary GoogleGuy just rolled out of bed, and I'm already 2 minutes late to meet someone--and I'm at home instead of work. :)

I'll check in over the course of the day though.

wifi on the fly

7:07 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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All I can say is awesome update. This has put my fears to rest.

Thank you Google for taking note and again getting the SERP's *mostly* :) back to normal.

GoogleGuy - I am sure this has to be a much needed refreshing thread based on the other death threads.

Again nice changes.

conroy

7:17 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I watch literally 350+ different terms. Not tiny little keywords but solid phrases across a huge range of industries.

This is by far the best Google SERPs ever. 64.233.161.99.

bull

7:17 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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These serps looks pretty like pre-Florida here. Obviously, as someone pointed out earlier, ODPs value decreased as my quad-listed (bilingual x topical-regional) subdirectory slightly dropped from #1 to #4.
Was Austin the first and already last "hilltoppy" update? Still hoping for separate "buy" and "info" checkboxes as well as for a continuation of the "process" often described by europeforvisitors in older threads.

[edited by: bull at 7:21 pm (utc) on Feb. 13, 2004]

HayMeadows

7:19 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The keyword I'll be looking for is "brandyupdate" as all one word, either by email to webmaster [at] google.com or via a spam report.

Shucks, just submitted one via spam report as "brandy" attn: GoogleGuy. Hopefully you get it <g>.

Great algo adjustment overall :-)

Welcome back!

vplaza

7:31 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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An excellent "update"....I think I a lot of people out there who thought they were doomed after Florida will be very happy now. I am seeing a lot of SPAM gone and a lot more relevant SERPS. And if you are not happy....just wait for the next one.

mfishy

7:34 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<<...is that if you don't clear some hurdle(s), your pages are *nowhere* to be found, rather than just further down in the pile. >>

That is the oddest, and most troubling part of the "new Google".

Also, this is the strongest case that they are in fact using some sort of filter. The problem is, that the pages/sites getting caught in it are pretty good in many cases while others that maybe should have been weeded out remain.

pleeker

7:34 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Two things. Firstly,

There are areas of improvements, but as EliteWeb pointed out a few hours ago, the real estate industry SERPs are still a mess, even more so if you use a cityname.

I understand the difficulty in trying to determine what a user wants. But when the query is CITYNAME REAL ESTATE, can't we assume that 8 or 9 out of 10 people are looking for web sites that list real estate or homes for sale in that city, or perhaps real estate agents or agencies in that city? This current algo still fills the Top 10 with Yahoo Directory, Google Directory, AOL City Guide, and other similar directory/city guide sites.

And secondly,

I'm not sure the idea of letting a user say "I want info." or "I want to shop" will settle anything. Many excellent commercial sites ARE excellent because of the great info. they offer. In fact, don't we consider those the best examples of great commercial sites? (One thing that makes Amazon so great is all the information they have about the products, including user reviews, etc.)

Why should such a commercial site be excluded from the SERPs when someone indicates they don't want to shop?

caveman

7:53 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That is the oddest, and most troubling part of the "new Google".

Yeah, so far I'd agree, at least wrt Brandy.

The issue in my view is that this mechanism is cutting out some of the lovely/cool/unique/informative hobby and mom & pop sites that should be reappearing by now, but still aren't.

Perhaps it's a way of targetting small spammy e-commerce sites with an insufficient number of pages and/or backlinks, but again, it's the baby/bathwater problem. Maybe on the next go-round, G could take this set of hurdles and attach them to an 'and/if' stmt that relates in some way to OOP measures they trust...which might let more of the smaller but legit hobby/info/enthusiast sites back in?

wanna_learn

7:57 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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pleeker,
if they are excellent.. they deserve to be in both Cats then ;-)

BTW Update seems better in terms of killing out some quite visible spam.

Google,
Your destination is still too far though.

bronco

8:02 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Currently seeing the 216 dc for google, not as strong as the 64 dc's, but will let me sleep with a smile!

BTW, given the enormous negative vs. positive responses from Florida and Austin, I find it uplifting that the positive responses are leading the way here. Thanks to GG and the plex for "adjusting" and seemingly reacting to feedback.

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