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Sitemap in hidden frame

         

ikke1

2:07 pm on Sep 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am trying to use the following technique for some time now on frame-sites:

put keywords and phrases in index.html noframes tag and links to optimized pages. But: Google and other search engines do not follow these links nor do they index them (or properly).

What would be a solution for this? There are not many other options as these sites to be optimized are frames-sites and run in a cms-system in which I can hardly change anything. The websites themselves have a PR from around 4 or 5.

Is the proper solution to include a non-visible frame in which a sitemap (with links to the optimized pages).

Arnett

10:33 pm on Sep 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I haven't built a framed site in well over a year. Google followed the links in the <NoFRAMES> area when I had one up before. Google doesn't like framed sites because spammers abuse the <NoFRAMES> area. The "new" spam filters in place since Dominic/Esmerelda may well be ignoring the <NoFrames> area entirely.

ikke1

6:58 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the reply.

The reason that Google doesn't do much with the noframes content is why I want to use the hidden frame (not visible for vistors) and put links in here.
My idea is that this frame page gets indexed and receives pagerank distributed or am I missing something?

mattglet

7:24 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i could be wrong, but that technique doesn't seem like a good one...

doc_z

7:42 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ikke1,

I wouldn't include a non-visible frame.

If you use normal HTML links in the naviagtion frame Google will follow these links and find all pages without problems. Also, you can add a link to a sitemap in one of the content pages which is visible for the users as well as for Google.

Links in the noframe tag are indeed ignored. This situation is unchanged for a long time. However, text in the noframe tag is still indexed (and contribute to the ranking).

protheus99

8:14 pm on Sep 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The best way to do this is not using a frame but a div and change its visibility settings, that way your content will still be indexed and will not be viewed.

Arnett

6:08 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The best way to do this is not using a frame but a div and change its visibility settings, that way your content will still be indexed and will not be viewed.

Could you post the code for doing that? I'd like to have a look at it.

Marcia

6:22 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Could you post the code for doing that?

That's the CSS forum. The W3C has the full CSS Specifications [w3.org], it's all there in depth.

I'm not so sure I'd be hiding links with CSS.

Arnett

6:31 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not so sure I'd be hiding links with CSS.

I've added 5,000 pages to my site in the past three months. They are all indexed within the site 100 links to the index page. I've been waiting MONTHS to get them indexed. The index pages haven't been updated in Google in MONTHS. All the new pages are in Google's index and the index pages STILL haven't been updated!

I figured that since the new index pages are two levels down from the home page that putting links to them in the home page would help. They look terrible sitting at the bottom of the home page. They are also linked from my sitemap (Which Google only indexed part of because so many pages are listed.)

Putting in

<div style="VISIBILITY: hidden;">

before the table of links and

</div>

after the table of links ends at the bottom of the page
accomplishes the goal of keeping the links out of view of the normal site visitor but ensures that the links get spidered (hopefully)

ikke1

6:37 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Doc_z and others, thanks, the ideas regarding div and css are worthwhile.

But for a few particular sites I cannot change anything as these are CMS-run sites. The option of using and optimizing another domain name and forward it is also what we want in this particular case.

So the option was to create optimized (keyword)pages and have the forwarded to the homepage (a common thing). But as it is a frame site and there is no option of putting (hidden) links the idea came up of creating an addtional frame (hidden for visitors). In this frame the links to the created optimized (keyword)pages will be put. Perhaps these links would get some PageRank distribution aswell.

I know that this might not be the best strategy, but in this particular case is it a go or a no go and what are aspects to keep in mind or are there any further suggestions out there?
It will benefit others as well as this may be a strategy which may be easy to follow.

Gateway

7:07 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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frames are bad m'kay :)

iframe? layer? :)

Arnett

7:25 am on Sep 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why do you want to put your sitemap in a frame anyway? Just create a sitemap and link to it from all of your site's pages.

If you want to see one of my sitemaps stickymail me for the url.