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i have a site (in fact, a couple) that rank pretty well. it is not at all commercial. lets call it A.
i have now launched another, purely commercial site. lets call it B.
i backlinked from every page of A to B in a hope that it will improve my new site's rank.
B has many pages, to the tune of 10k. they are all of course interlinked. as yet, only about 700 have been spidered. (on a tangent: is this normal? can i expect google to pick up the rest of pages? when?)
if then at some point i drop backlinks, will (presuming backlinks do improve PR for B to begin with) B stand at high PR on its own? given that it has so many pages?
thanks in advance,
leanweb
There's another thread: [webmasterworld.com...] about how much those internal links from B to B will count.
But in the long run, site B needs outside links from Yahoo, DMOZ, other merchants, etc to stand on its own.
will... B stand at high PR on its own? given that it has so many pages?
Nope. To put it simply, PR is acquired from external links and distributed by internal links.
When the external links go, so will the PR they have contributed. You need to use the interim time to go get more external links.
Two things you have to remember with such a huge site:
1. It may not be a good idea to distribute PR evenly in such a huge site, in most cases there just simply isn't enough PR for this.
2. Google is not the only search engine. Eventually Inktomi will crawl your site and if the on page optimization is well done, you may end up getting very good traffic from msn and hopefully soon even from Yahoo.
as far as spreading PR thin, unfortunately, i have little choice in the matter. there are as many pages as there are, i don't think i can artificially do much about it.
so i might as well try to make the best out of the situation.
folks suggested that large interlinked website will still require backlinks from other websites in order to maintain high PR.
my hope is, if i get a boost for my site's PR by linking to it from another my decently ranked site it will be easier to solicit backlinks from other sites.
btw, as far as msn goes, i've been reading about it here and it just doesnt seem that there is a free submission option left. does this mean that the only way to get in msn is to pay to looksmart? or will inktomi eventually find my site?
thanks for all your suggestions!
leanweb
For what it's worth...
Suggy
afaik (and i am by no means an expert) PR is determined as a probability that a wandering surfer will eventually end up on the page. so you are right, it kind of works out that way. but it is not a firm rule. if a site will happen to have popular individual pages, then they will feed PR value to pages that may otherwise have no backlinks.
just keep in mind that the more outbound links a page has, the more ways its PR gets split between. so in theory you want backlinking external page to have few outgoing hyperlinks on it so that your page gets larger portion of PR value of backlinking page.
let me explain how i understand this. suppose you have a site that has page A. and suppose there is an external page X. page X has a hyperlink to page A. it also has 4 links to other sites. and suppose page X has PR value of 10. than your page A will receive 1/5th, or 2 points of PR value. if page X added 5 more links, than page A would begin to receive smaller portion of PR or 1/10th or 1 point.
in other words, the fewer outgoing links backlinking page has the larger portion of its PR value gets cast on to your page.
on the other hand, since its a zero-sum game, on your own pages you want to have as many links as possible (i guess, within reason) so that the ratio of outgoing links is low, thus they take away as little PR value as possible.
let me also note that it might be possible that google is weighing "clickthrough" probability of each individual link so that PR spread between links is more "fair". so links at the top of the page might transfer higher portion of PR value than those at bottom of page. larger fonts might also affect "PR transfer capacity".
now, this arythmetic at first glance might look logical. however, one must consider the vast permutations of google model and recognize that linking strategy based on this arythmetic has potential to stall PR growth for your site through paths that cannot be imagined at first glance.
i am a firm believer in karma and think that ultimately the best way to achieve a good PR is to build a good website, but i digress... ;)
leanweb
So if you have indeed a site with many pages, you can cleverly distribute the PR to create a few high PR pages.
I myself have a site with around 600000 pages that let my create several PR 5 and PR6 pages.
I've now moved it to a new domain and therefore have 0 backlinks, except of course I don'T as my internal pages are as good backlinks as anything, and my overall ranking hasn't soffered one bit.
So go ahead, get as many pages indexed as posible (around 5k) and then you can de-link it from your old domain. I do that all the tiem to get new pages indexed properly.
SN
good point on intrinsic PR. also, i forgot to note that not all of the PR value of a page gets distributed to linked pages, i think only some 80%. rationale i think is that once in a while surfer will type in new URL instead of following links to navigate.
you can cleverly distribute the PR to create a few high PR pages.
would you elaborate on this? other than a common sense approach of linking all pages to selected few, what else can be done?
btw, did google index ALL 600k your pages? if so, how long did it take for google to decide to include all your pages into its index?
And I'm not really sure, as the site's been around since 1999 and I haven'T really tracked it in google for more then a year or too by which time al lthe pages were already in.
But I've 301ed the entire site to a new domain and so far 10k pages have been updated in around 2 months, and google seems to add around 100 pages/day.
SN
