A problem with links

the death of pr

[allanp73]

The Dominic update caused chaos for much the web's

link popularity. Most sites showed only a fraction of
their true backlink count. The result is a general
reduction of pr. Previous the backlinks shown on Google had to be resulting from page with a minimum of pr4. Well, with the current update this has changed so that lower pr links are now showing.

Let's look at why Google had to do this.
First, the effect of Dominic was a complete reduction
in pr. Let's say you had 1000 links (100 pr 1, 200 pr
2, 200 pr 3, 400 pr 4, 100 pr 5) According to Google
before Dominic you would have 500 backlinks. However,
if Dominic reduced the pr of the linking pages the
value of the links would be the following (300 pr 1,
200 pr 2, 400 pr 3, 100 pr 4, 0 pr 5) Suddenly you
have only 100 backlinks. As the effect spreads pr
drops from sites which you link to and so forth.
Eventually, the effect is continuous drop in pr.
How does Google combat this? First show pr2+ pages as
backlinks and give bonuses as if they were pr 4
links. Hopefully re-build lost pr.
It believe what we are seeing is Google's attempt to
keep pr alive, because Dominic almost killed it.
I would love to hear others theories as to what is happening with Google.

[fathom]

I believe nothing has changed - just because you are not seeing all pre backlinks doesn't mean they are not there.

Evidence - PR4 is the threshold for seen Google backlinks, the fact that PR3 - PR1s or being seen here tends to reflect that they are in fact PR4 or above links and something is missing.

Be patience, things are changing but normally they change for the betterment of all.

[Bio4ce]

I really do hope it's the end of the PR4 threshold. People get to greedy when it comes to PR and exchaning links with another site that doesn't have as much PR. I really gets out of hand sometimes.

[Powdork]

I really do hope it's the end of the PR4 threshold. People get to greedy when it comes to PR and exchaning links with another site that doesn't have as much PR. I really gets out of hand sometimes.

Not me. I'm one of those sites people always complain about because i outrank them even though they have a higher pr. Why do I outrank them. Good incoming anchor text they can't find cause it comes from sub pr 3 or below sites. Lets keep some things mysterious.;)

[SlyOldDog]

It's pretty obvious that backlinks which are not showing are used for PR calculation. Otherwise any site which shows no backlinks would be PR0, and that's definately not the case.

Don't forget in Google's eyes the whole internet has a PR of 1 which gets shared amongst all the pages, so if Google had less pages indexed in the Dominik update, the total pagerank still has to add up to 1. It would just mean less pages - not less pagerank.

[Bio4ce]

Good incoming anchor text they can't find cause it comes from sub pr 3 or below sites.

Good point. Maybe I'll start sending link exchange request to pages that have a PR in the 0-3 range. :)

[SlyOldDog]

So Pagerank 3 pages are the new valuable capital on the web?

I've heard everything now ;)

Pagerank 3 page for sale!

[rfgdxm1]

>Lets keep some things mysterious.

Only to people that don't know about Alltheweb. ;)

[allanp73]

I think many of you missed my point. I wasn't suggesting that Google didn't count the coming pr from low pr links (where pr < 4). My point is that the wide spread reduction of pr will have a draining effect.
For example one of my sites before Dominic had 500+ links, afterward the number dropped to 250 then with the last update it dropped to 125 links. Alltheweb shows the backlinks at around 79,000. The result is my site went from a high pr 6 to a low pr 5. Sites which benefited from having a link on my links page will receive less of a pr increase their pr's will drop. The sites they link to will also be affected, and so on. PR will gradually weaken.

[steveb]

You seem to think that PR is a dynamic number. Most people view Internet PR as a constant number, if it decreases one place it increases another. If Google went to only showing one backlink per site it wouldn't make a difference to the total PR on the web.

Google has just been crawling poorly, so PR isn't assigned as accurately as it was previously (or ideally should be). Somebody still gets it though.

[SlyOldDog]

What steveb said ;)