Google Penalty on keyword

anyone experience this?

[FillDeCube]

I am affraid that my site has been banned for certain keywords.

A few of my important keywords not show up in top #100 results. My site was ranking #2~#10 for the past few months and my site is currently having PR5.

Any clue..?

[decstar]

Someone suggested that google had turned down the PR knob and that PR just wasn't as important anymore. I think that this is a very strong possibility as I have a very new site (10 weeks) that has just appeared between 1st and 20th place for all of its relevant SERPs. This site has only PR1 and PR0 on many internal pages which are showing in first positions. It also only has less then 10 incoming links showing in google. However, each page has excellent content and is optimised for a specific set of keywords which appear throughout the content.

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[Peter6Sigma]

FillDeCube and others.

I am new to this stuff but I have a theory. Not the answer

My site over the last two weeks:

For normal searches. At times over the past two weeks my site has been #1 for several key phrases. The same place it held for the past six months.

The past two weeks I often fall completely off the world on key terms to #50 or higher and strange pages from my site come up even at that.

In a google search try:

1. allintext:keyword or phrase
2. allintitle:keyword or phrase
3. allinanchor: keyword or phrase

I will bet when sites rank high with all three of these searches, the normal Google search will be consistent and make sense. If there is inconsistent (from common sense) or strange search results for these three special searches, then the newer sites will fall off the world.

My theory is that Google may be having problems getting all three items 1,2 and 3 to come together in order to place a page(maybe more data items as well). My site has been in Google 7 months. When these data items don't come together for the new sites Google somehow takes the old old information and tries to use this old data to rank pages.

I'll bet that when our new sites are ranking well the three allin searches are consistent with what they should be. I just learned of these searches today when my site is no where on many key terms. I will try later when my site is up again.

Try the searches out and see what you find. I have not been able to find any information on how to increase these special rankings. My site is number one for many key words in allinanchor searches and no where to be found in the other searches.

[GrinninGordon]

Peter6Sigma

Try the illinanchor: and I bet you will see the Spam / one page sites that come in and go out. See also how allinanchor: is at odds with allintext: and allintitle:.

See how sites that actually do well on Google do well on allintext: and allintitle:, but not so much on allinanchor:

I do not believe it is an "on page factors" penalty for Google's main algo. I think it is either a data loss (favorite theory) which means that backlinks (PR and link relevance) are not being factored in properly. Or that the "penalty" is two level - a) severe for pages that do not rate well for allintext: and allintitle: also, (this would be logical to keep irrelevant blogged sites out) and b) mild for pages that have good allintext: and allintitle: (logical for over optimized sites with engineered back links).

I think what also throws a wobbler in, is there may be three ranking algos used. Main, old sites, and more allinanchor: based. I think the main algo accounts for around 50% of what you see on page 1, old sites algo for 30%, potpourri algo for 20%.

[jcoronella]

I think what also throws a wobbler in, is there may be three ranking algos used

Interesting. But which one gets the #1 spot?! ;)

[GrinninGordon]

jcoronella

Depends which of the three algos returns the highest points for that keyword search.

[Peter6Sigma]

GrinninGordon,

Thanks for the thoughts.

I have 1000 pages of great stuff on my site with great wording and real material for people to dig into.

I do have links in many related directories and also links with sites not so related. My my site name is www.keyword1Keyword2.com in the past six months I was rated number on when people typed these two keywords together. Most people type "keyword1 keyword2" with space so it is a key phrase. Of course since my company name is the site name all my links are with the company name. I never asked anyone to link any special terms. It is only normal to link the company name.

OK finally. Eventhough my main page has all the keywords in several areas, for searches 1 and 2 I don't show on the list at all. This would lean me to think the link penalty theory.

1. allintext:keyword or phrase
2. allintitle:keyword or phrase

However for:
3. allinanchor: keyword or phrase

My site ranks number 1 and in fact the same order of the other sites as it was for the last six months.

It is not clear to me what this means. I am a spam site because I do well on #3 and not on the others? I only made the site with a $20 program and have used nothing but hard work in it and used old word docs and powerpoint files.

To throw a loop in there if someone types "keyword1 keyword2" with a space my site has moved from 13 to 11. So I may be getting more hits.

Who knows.

Time to have a late dinner.