Text links on a PR8 site

guarantee 20000+ backlinks

[DaveN]

Ok you find a site with a PR8, and it gives out text links to it's advertisers after the next google update you find that your site has 20500 new backlinks all from that site, but your PR hasn't moved in fact the only benefit of those 20500 backlinks is the traffic that the PR8 site will generate.

Now if your site is related to that PR8 site I guess you would be Happy just to be an advertiser

Two questions then :

1) are you mad that you buck is not getting you PR.

2) are you happy to see you link on a the site even if the PR is not being passed because of an agreement signed with google.

Dave

[caine]

1) No. if your conveting traffic from a highly visible related site into ROI, who cares about PR!

2) Yes. If the link is provinding a jump point for potential customers, to the linked to site, then i can't see any problems.

<edit> wait - how are the backlinks transferring through to your site if the PR is not, you may find that the PR has been hand limited to the site - even so if traffic / ROI is coming - sounds good </edit>

[edited by: caine at 12:19 pm (utc) on June 4, 2003]

[xcandyman]

I will be happy to see traffic coming from the related site. I'd rather have traffic from a related source than a little more PR. Much more valuable IMO.

PR is so over-rated. If a "related" site has only got a PR2 but has a largish userbase I'd trade links any day.

Steve

[Monkscuba]

Traffic is what we need. No traffic, no visitors, no sales, no money. I always look for a site that looks good for traffic. I check my referrer logs more than toolbar PR. I check Alexa rankings more than toolbar PR - not totally accurate, but it gives an idea of a sites TRAFFIC.

[Skylo]

Monkscuba, I do the exact same. I only have one use for my G toolbar okay maybe 2. Highlighting keywords and quick searches.
Alexa is my "bar" of choice

[Visit Thailand]

I check Alexa rankings more than toolbar PR - not totally accurate, but it gives an idea of a sites TRAFFIC.

Only among users of Alexa.

[percentages]

>PR is not being passed because of an agreement signed with google.

DaveN please clarify this bit about an agreement signed with Google. I was under the impression Google didn't get into such relationships?

Is this "agreement" mentioned on the site selling links?

[DaveN]

percentages sorry don't want to go into details, if somebody else does thats fine by me,

I know of two sites which show big PR and don't pass PR and they ain't been penalised

Dave

[Bernard]

Only among users of Alexa.

Which I presume to be 90% webmasters / seo consultants....

[ciml]

The 'can have PR but not pass it on' penalty was seen more than a year ago (February 2002 guestbook 'penalty'). Nowadays, I get the distinct impression that it applies to quite a few sites who sell links.

> 1) are you mad that you buck is not getting you PR.

If someone buys a text link from someone with a healthy looking PageRank graph on the Toolbar, then I don't see how that can infer a requirement for the site owner to make Google transfer PR to the destination site.

> 2) are you happy to see you link on a the site even if the PR is not being passed because of an agreement signed with google.

I don't understand that. I'm certain that you can be a big site and show PR but not pass it on. I'm pretty sure that this doesn't indicate any collusion with Google!

[esaslo]

I was under the impression less than 10% used Alexa-- with a high proportion of Asian/Far Eastern users. Hence, the numbers a screwed up. For example, I know of an education site which gets over 2.5 million hits a month, yet sees only around 50-100K in Alexa.

[ogletree]

Alexa is complete crap you should not look at it at all. My site just went to 77,000 from 4,000,000 or so and I beat out a friend that has had 120,000 for some time and gets 20 times more visitors than I do. As a matter of fact it says 20% of my traffic is to IP restricted parts of my site that only I can go to. I am the only person that goes to my site with the alexa toolbar. Right now webmasterworld is considered 254 out of all websites on the Internet. There is no way that is true. There is just a high conentration of developers that go to this site that use the alexa toolbar to look at there site.