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This really upsets me. Why making good websites?
Everyone is just working for the search engines now. And all those websites look like @#*! Sorry for my language. Yes. Those websites have cross links, a high keyword density, and all other things Google loves so much. But quality site? Not at all!I, and some other webmasters are writing real content, making readable pages, make every page different, no mirror-sites.
But do we have a chance? Who is going to stand up for us? Googleguy! Where are you?
Yes it does Ya know what? Creating a site that is valuable to consumers does not equate to a site that Google thinks highly of.
Ya see, Google can't even tell if a site is relevant unless some other site tells them about it...
I'm talking about honesty. Yep, I have squeaky clean sites ranking in the top 3, and I have big, fat, spammy, hidden text sites ranking in the top 3, and I have cloaked sites ranking in the top 3, and I have domain farms ranking in the top 3, and I have sites ranking in the top 3 in which the keyphrases don't even appear on the page.
Great example of honesty there, gonna put this one on the fridge for the kids.
Google flat out is broken, I dont care what GG tells you.
It appears they are trying to fix it, but at this rate could be at bare minimum 2 more weeks most likely another month.
Meanwhile Millions of webmasters look like complete bafoons in front of their clients.
Google is serving up the most 404 pages in history, and we are all loosing money.
Who cares.
I have an idea, lets change the subject.
"How has this forum changed" <<< yeah thats a good 1!
Here me out, by now millions have been served 404's millions are like what the hell is this.
You take that, you have Yahoo come out with Inkomi, and promote like crazy. You have AOL jump on to the Yahoo bandwagon, and quite possibly Netscape(you must realize these companies are fuming right about now at google).
All of a sudden a Company with 80% now has 30% if its lucky. You know what, good riddens.....
The overall market place is not losing money. Some are losing, some are gaining, many/most are stable.
>Meanwhile Millions of webmasters look like complete bafoons in front of their clients.
Some SEO's are being made to look like fools (myself included in a couple of instances), but on the whole most are still stable rational people. I've had a hit or two, but the big picture is the only one that counts.
The small number of relatively new clients that have complained to me have been told the problems have occurred because they are new clients. Stability takes time, playing the odds takes time. I work on a month-to-month contract, no one has shown any signs of cancelling yet!
So, now i ask you if itīs legal or not...
These sites have the same web pages in four or five differents domains and all domains linked.
Are exactly the same site duplicated into four differents domains, and in some cases when i search for our keywords google shows in the top ten, three results which are the same.
The only thing they change are the tittles.
Thank you.
>Google is serving up the most 404 pages in history, and we are all loosing money.
The overall market place is not losing money. Some are losing, some are gaining, many/most are stable.>Meanwhile Millions of webmasters look like complete bafoons in front of their clients.
Some SEO's are being made to look like fools (myself included in a couple of instances), but on the whole most are still stable rational people. I've had a hit or two, but the big picture is the only one that counts.
The small number of relatively new clients that have complained to me have been told the problems have occurred because they are new clients. Stability takes time, playing the odds takes time. I work on a month-to-month contract, no one has shown any signs of cancelling yet!
Im glad you believe all that, I surely dont. I wish I could see a nice graph of adwords right now, from last month to present. Might even be the biggest monthly gain in history for any Search Engine, Actually I think it is.
Of course its all innocent, google had nothing to do with any of it......
Search the penal code, I don't see it in there!
Is it breaking Google's rules? Who the heck knows, they are not sufficiently described. If it is they might damage those sites via a penalty in the future....but I doubt it.
(no idea why this post is in this thread, it was a reply to a separate thread....please all ignore this entry as part of this thread.....Brett, please fix this problem!)
i don't believe that google needs cash so bad that it would be prepared to damage its own reputation to make a fast buck for a month or two. i just think that something is broken and they haven't fixed it yet
So Im definately 100% with you on that, its 100% broken.
But what are they going to do, give a half off sale on adwords? Not hardly.
Do you think Google thinks that Yahoo will just own Inkomi, and do nothing with it? That could be.......
I think people should look at the bigger picture, and not focus on what they are being told, or just be more skeptic.
So, i donīt see why my message canīt be here...
I was surprised to see digitalghost so fired up to fix Google while he's raking in 15k a week from their mistakes? Very altruistic, I am impressed.
Hey, let's do an experiment, let's see how many morons we can get to base their livelihood on something they have no claim to or control over, and then start a forum where we can read and enjoy their ineptitude and deserved misfortune.
Oh, sweet! We've got that here in spades!
A definition of SEO I had'nt heard yet. LOL
<----Sorry this moron will be purchasing a 75ft sailboat this month with cash profits, largely because of the nice cash and unplanned profits generated by Google & partners.
This moron says you should make every penny count. This moron says that if Google is willing to provide practically free referrals you should take them. This moron looks for every opportunity to increase ROI.
This moron fully understands that he can't manipulate every possible circumstance....but this moron also appreciates that he can play the "percentages" and manipulate the vast majority of them!
Google may in some people's eyes be a piece of junk, in others it is a printing press!
Does my living depend today on Google.....heck yes, Good results make me happy and have a tendancy to spend excessivily on ice cream, bad results make me depressed and have a tendancy to spend excessively on alcohol......either way I love Google, Inktomi and AV...they all generate unexpected revenue!
At least my sites will rank high in other search engines. Or if Google does a Magic Update, perhaps in Google too.
However, I do not (want to) believe yet that this is the beginning of the end of Google.
Awesome, that's great. but I'd try switching the ice cream & alcohol buying triggers, it'll balance things out. For example if you lose a pile of cash, you eat a pile of ice cream, it's a wash. Gain a sailboat, get 3 sheets to the wind and crash it, you're even Steven.
Seriously, I don't think you fit in my "moron" category if you look at it as icing rather than cake. I may be mistaken but I doubt you'd be here crying if your placements changed, you'd be working to get them back or finding new ways to get traffic. That's a huge difference.
digitalghost's my hero ;)
1. Cloak the site and serve up whatever you want to Google.
2. Build a domain farm and create your own PR "importance".
3. Screen scrape forums and extract keyword rich content that just happens to end up on one of your domains, then link that domain to your target site.
4. Buy every high PR link you can find.
5. Build 500 shadow domains. Link as needed.
6. Set up as many blogs as you can on your own domains, rack up PR7 links in about 60 days. Use the links as you see fit.
7. Write an article about how not to optimize and watch Google ensure that it stays in the top ten for over a year.
8. Add useless content daily to get the freshbot to keep coming around.
9. Spam high PR logs.
10. Trusted feed. ;)
I knew we were not doing something right!
Rich
Report or not your decision, you are now just another part of the alogo.
I think you mean SPAM = Sites Positioned Above Mine!
You know, this forum used to be a worthwhile place to visit. Not so sure it is anymore.
Seems to be a lot of ego (spot the sounding brass!) and bitterness these days and not much serious SEO talk.
Anyone read the new Charter, at all?
Suggy
Agreed!
I have also noticed a change in peoples attitudes, politenes has almost gone in certain forums.
It is a great shame :(
Karl
(only kidding)
Maybe start of the summer slow down?
Hey, let's do an experiment, let's see how many morons we can get to base their livelihood on something they have no claim to or control over
What - you mean like the millions of people working in the rat race of corporate america?
I realize hidden that text is a different story. I never use hidden text because it defeats my purpose which is to make the visitor realize, I do what they are looking for.
[edited by: allanp73 at 4:41 pm (utc) on May 28, 2003]
If the spammer's main website had decent interesting content in the first place then it would already be high in the search results.
Some companies in my industry have sites with frames and say they have to use spam pages because google doesn't spider framed sites well. No excuse - get a new non-frames design.
Some other businesses I know of use 'search engine positioning' companies without first knowing exactly what they do.
Or can it be that the new and improved Google now, "flips" or rotates between Datacenters every couple of hours?
That's what is seems like to me, IMHO. Just a thought....is this probable or am I way off? Anyone?
