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Google and message board posts/links.

Does G. penalize for message board posts/links?

         

HughMungus

10:26 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I searched the site and I read the Google knowledge base first so apologies if this has been answered.

I've heard (can't remember where) that Google penalizes or at least looks unkindly on links from message boards to a website (possibly to discourage people from putting their company links on websites?).

Is this true?

If this IS true, how does Google know that the link is on a message board. In other words, how do the spiders know what kind of website the link is on?

HitProf

10:33 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps this helps (if message boards are comparable to message boards).
[webmasterworld.com ]

[edited by: HitProf at 10:35 pm (utc) on May 26, 2003]

rfgdxm1

10:34 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This would be all kinds of stupid for 2 reasons:

#1) Google has no way of knowing who posted those message board links.

#2) Many message boards have no problem with people having sig files with links to their own sites, as is common practice on Usenet. There is one message board where I have such a sig file link that I post on. Has nothing to do with spamming; in fact my site is on the same topic as this site. Since this is common practice on many website boards, if Google spiders them they should just ignore the links. As for identifying message boards, this should be trivial for Google.

HughMungus

10:39 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the replies.

I was just reading the guestbook thread. Same thing. How does google know it's a guestbook?

One reason I'm asking about penalization is because I'm reading about spam filters that are supposedly coming, and since users of my service will be posting links to messages on my site (for other message board users to hear) that google might interpret this as spamming (especially considering that many of the links will look the same except for the last 10 digits or so).

Should I be concerned about potential spam filtering?

rfgdxm1

11:08 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Both guestbooks and message boards can be identified by the HTML which contains obvious signatures that it is a guestbook or message board page. Both of these almost always use off the shelf scripts, which are easy to spot.

HughMungus

11:13 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So...how does google distinguish between low-level spamming (i.e., someone posting a link to their website on a message board) and links posted that are relevant to the message board and topic? Or can it?

:concerned:

Chris_R

11:32 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It can't distinguish. Google seems to want to discount all guestbook links if they can.

This doesn't mean you will get penalized - just that the link won't count.

HughMungus

11:34 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oh, OK, that'd be just fine.

Thanks!

rfgdxm1

11:35 pm on May 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>So...how does google distinguish between low-level spamming (i.e., someone posting a link to their website on a message board) and links posted that are relevant to the message board and topic? Or can it?

They couldn't, because they have no way of knowing who is posting the links, or for what reason. Also, it is common practice on many boards that the person will post the link of whatever their site is in their .sig, regardless of whether the topic is related to that board. Think here for example of someone having a link to their personal site about dog breeding which the have in their sig file on a site devoted to political discussion. Many message boards use the same custom as on Usenet regarding such things. I have a .sig on Usenet with a link to my main site. That .sig is used in every newsgroup I post to, even if the topic is totally irrelevant to the topic of the site in my .sig. Usenet custom and tradition is that so long as a .sig file is less than 4 lines long, *anything* is acceptable in that .sig. Many website bulletin boards aren't all that particular about what people post, unlike say Webmasterworld. In fact, a number of website bulletin boards are totally unmoderated.

GrinninGordon

12:04 am on May 27, 2003 (gmt 0)



Unfortunately Spammers do get advantage from forums at this time, especially Matt's forum boards. But look out if you do this, the forum manager will be p'd if he catches you. And may well file a Spam report to Google, and your ISP.

HughMungus

12:11 am on May 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No, not spam. I'm developing a service that is complementary to message boards which will probably result in either (a) lots of people posting links to files on my server and (b) links being posted to message boards automatically (if the message board operator has given approval for these links to be posted automatically). Just didn't want to get penalized if there are hundreds of links from a message board to my website.

This kind of applies to one of my other sites, too -- where I have some funny images and videos that people on message boards like to post to.

We'll see!

GrinninGordon

12:15 am on May 27, 2003 (gmt 0)



HughMungus

Sounds like pure Spam to me. Hope you do get their express permission first. As many forum owners (like me) have gone out of their way to make sure Spammers can not post their URL's on the board, I doubt you will have many takers. As most forums have other pages, I am sure they would want to link to you from them if your content was worthwhile.

HughMungus

12:20 am on May 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Like I said, it's a service that is compelentary to message boards, not ads for a service that is complementary to message boards. I would tell you what it is here, but, I don't want to spam this forum (see my profile for the link).

Regarding the automatic posting, that would be only if the message board operator had chosen to use the service in the first place so no concerns there. Just don't want Google penalizing me if there are a lot of links from message boards to content on my site that is relevant to the board/topic.

But thanks for your concern!

:)