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What is the logic behind that?
If this does indeed help, can the linked-to site be a directory listing (google directory for a particular topic, for example) instead of a specific website?
Thanks!
Vic
MeditationMan
What is the PR of the site/s you mention, are you sure they arn't reciprical links, has the site plenty of PR to play with...etc
They're all PR6, as is my site. To be honest I hadn't checked to see how many were reciprocal. A quick look tells me that at least some are, which would make a difference.
Have you just this update moved up the serps...If you have I would not be confident it will last
No, the move has happened over the last few updates. I did move up one place this time, but as you say that can't be relied upon at the moment. In the last two updates I've had an upward move of one place halfway between updates for some reason.
But the bottom line with my site is that I've added non-reciprocal, relevant links to my index page and have still moved up. The PR leak has been outweighed by some other factor, which I can only assume is a boost in relevance due to linking.
For ex.- Sometimes ago I got site A and I intend to boost its rank and PR by creating site B which then link to A. Of course A got higher PR than B and B is not a mirror or duplicate content of A. Site B is meant only to give supportive links to A and not for serp. But later I found out that Site B did outrank Site A and both of them are very close on the same page.
Then I began to feel that I have crossed the line of being considered spamming and not meant to do...so I took away those links in Site B to A. My thought is that if A drop, that should be all right because B outperform A any way and I want only 1 place on that page not 2.
After that G update, I'm very surprise to see an opposite result...and I feel some unknown effect!
I firmly believe that outgoing links help you to a certain extent in ranking. And i am not alone in my belief. In fact i would go on to say it opens up a whole window of oppurtunities for ranking if implemented properly. Use your imagination. One of the fact that strikes me is that only Spammers are the people who have fully exploited this ranking criteria. Use your imagination. Think about themes. I have learnt about themes around here only.
How much easy it is to have PR 6 without linking out. And how difficult it is to gain a PR 6 by linking out to two sites from each of your pages.
[edited by: mil2k at 12:00 pm (utc) on May 24, 2003]
How much easy it is to have PR 6 without linking out. And how difficult is it to gain a PR 6 by linking out to two sites from each of your pages.
I don't just link anyone with high PR and same themes for high rankings, I link if its necessary in fact I have a PR6 and have zero direct outbound links.
In addition, WebmasterWorld does not allow enough context (actual URLs, for starters) to know what factors should usually apply for a given set of circumstances.
That makes it extremely hard to reverse-engineer the Googleplex brain. Most "my site does well/badly" or "I tried this and it tanked/flew" reports usuually just anectdotes with not enough context, or stats gathered over time.
That really reduces us to saying "x worked for me. It may do the reverse for you".
Having said that, it seems intuitively obvious (and therefore probably demonstrably wrong) that, in domains where there are potentially genuine hubs and authorities, Google should tend to reward a site that helps identify authorities or is a hub.
An authority is (in this model) a site that is extemely important. Linking to it demonstrates you know your stuff. Think crucial scientific paper. Other papers that quote it both help it become more crucial and bask in some reflected glory as they are "one away" (to invoke the Kevin Bacon model) from it. Sites that are authorities deserve better billing.
A hub is a crucial jumping-off point site -- ie one that has a rich set of relevent outward links. Google wants to send people to relevant sites, not dead ends -- ie sites that will help the user find something useful. Sites that appear to be hubs may get better billing.
I don't know if Google does use this model. If it does, it is clearly inapplicable in many domains -- where are the hubs and authorities in tighly coiled nets of hotel affiliates for example?
But if it does, there are domains (perhaps mediationman's site is part of one) where the model will help sift sites into a useful-for-the-user order -- which is what Google is all about.
What we really need is a webresearch site where concerned webmasters can pool actual data over many months along with actions taken so we can start to accurately reverse engineer Google. Most everything else (including this post) is just guessing and then generalising across other domains.
(ratings are from 0-11, 0 meaning a ban, 1 a penalty, 11 being
google's start page)
$links_quality_in
$links_quality_out
$links_in
$links_out
if($site_banned!= TRUE){
(.2*($links_quality_in)+(.80*($links_in))) == $PR_in;
(.2*($links_quality_out)+(.80*($links_out))) == $PR_out;
(.7*($PR_in)+(.25*($otherfactors))+(.05*($PR_out)) == $PR;
}
running some numbers in theory:
$links_quality_in = '9'; a rating of overall quality
$links_in = '10'; // a rating based on how many links total
$links_quality_out = '11'; // rating of quality of links out
$links_out = '8'; // rating based on total number out
(.2*(9)+(.8*(10))) == 9.8
(.2*(11)+(.8*(8))) == 10.2
.7*(9.8)+(.25*(9))+(.05*(10.8) == 9.65
9.65 would be equivalent to PR9 or thereabouts.
The real variable pertinent to this thread, is how much the final vote of the quality/quantity of our outbound links affects your final PR. I believe this to be in the range of 1% to 5% of your final PR.
-junkilo
Your suggestion makes sense. I would guess that a relatively high PR site may benefit from linking out to other related sites since this helps to establish it as an authoritative hub. My index page is PR6 (and has been seven) and of course I'd like to think of it as being in this category.
A low PR site that links to high ranking sites probably doesn't have much to gain. After all, if the site has low PR it's not authoritative and unlikely to be seen as a hub.
It's speculation, of course, but perhaps it would be naive for everyone to think that outbound links are going to help their rankings.
perhaps it would be naive for everyone to think that outbound links are going to help their rankings.
As one of the mods said in a previous post , the effect of an individual component cannot be gauged for ranking as there are many parameters. Linking out can definitely help you but not always. There are instances where you can analyze your competetion and make a decision. Also linking out is not that easy especially for ecommerce sites.(And i mean from content pages). And yes i am happy not many people are aware of it. :)
