Is PR0 always a penalty?

2 new sites - both zero

[sanblasena]

HI,

I put 3 new sites out there around the middle of April. Two of them are jumping back and forth between PR0 and not ranked by Google. No back links are showing. Is PR0 always a penalty or can pages be ranked zero because no back links are showing?
Thanks, Pat

[Stefan]

There are a lot of discussions about this in various threads, some quite old. Try a site search, (the link near the top of the page), you'll find a lot of info.

It might just mean the sites aren't fully indexed

edit: typo

[SEO practioner]

Sanblasena hi

I agree. Google seems to be taking a bit more time between updates. I have 2 new sites here we launched- one in april, the other at the end of march and both are still at PR 0, some days they appear as greyed out.

Google Guy assured me (he looked at both of them) that all is ok and we are waiting for the next update. That was 3 weeks ago, and I still see no improvement.

That is why I think it is taking Google a bit more time between updates.

Let's all hope this situation will be resolved soon

Good luck
SEO

[fillow]

I have a site launched two months ago.
At the beggining we were at position #77, two weeks ago, we jumped to position #10 and today we have jumped back and now we are not being showed in google and our power rank is 0.
I donīt know what is happening

[Stefan]

Welcome aboard fillow. Don't take your predicament personally... it's "normal". :-)

Have a look here:
[webmasterworld.com...]

[deteplete]

I have several new sites submitted to google in mid april, now they are in the index...get few hits a day. The main page is with white PR0 bar and the other pages are gray :(

[DarrylParker]

Heya. I'm in the same boat... Brand new pair of sites. Submitted at the beginning of April. Actually 2 days ago we flipped from solid interminable grey bars to a white bar. Which I regard as progress... (crossing fingers)

An old-timer here gave the advice to have one of my beverage of choice, sit back, write a page of content, watch a movie or go for a run, and check again in a day or two. Repeat as necessary.

Which is exactly what I've been doing. Well, ok, not the running part.

Darryl.

[trillianjedi]

Which I regard as progress...

Yes, it is progress. This indicates that you are now in the main index rather than just being freshbot data.

That kind of implies, given the dates you mentioned, that the April deep crawl data is now being added.

It seems we're maybe at about 1.9 of GoogleGuy's suggested 3 stage plan.

Once -in and (the other one left) data centres get the current index I think it will be over to number 3 which will be spam filters, anchortext and PR calculations.

So we're moving in the right direction at least.

TJ

[ncsuk]

No PR0 is normal for new sites. One of my sites which went up in March is now PR0 but should go up to PR 4-5 next month especially with the amount of hits it is getting already.

New Sites = PR0

As far as im concerned its a sure thing.

[thereuare]

ncsuk,

How can you approximate your upcoming google rank?

I have a fairly new site, we were deep crawaled in April, and now appear in the current indexes and datacenters. We have a PR0 (white bar), which i assume is simply because we are new. Any idea how i can guess at my upcoming PR?

Also, when you say "we're getting a lot of hits", is that in general or directly from Google (the way you wrote it implies that the more hits you get affects your PR). Could you say what is considered "a lot of hits"?

Thanks for you insight.

[trillianjedi]

thereuare:-

Hots only relates to PR indeirectly. PR is the result (at least it always was) of backlinks. Backlinks also cause traffic....

You can guess your PR roughly with a little experience. It's easier to guess at it between about 1 and 5 than it is above 5 because it's a logarithmic scale.

You need to look at the PR of the pages that link to your pages and then take a bit of an educated guess which is weighted depending on how many other links are on that page and other factors.

TJ

[thereuare]

Thanks for the reply.

Excuse my ignorance on this, but it's my understanding that the site you link from you lose one PR value (so if my site is linked from a PR5, i'm valued at PR4 for that link).

So how are multiple links calculated?

What is best of the following hypothetical situations (and please explain why):

-one link from a PR8
-one link from PR8 and 50 links from PR2
-25 links from PR4
-2 links from PR8 and 6 links from PR6
etc, etc, etc

When there are so many variables and no clarification as to how multiple links sum up, how does one approximate their upcoming PR?

Thanks.