Possible explenation?

Regarding Google's Recent Activities.

[Kamin]

I guess if you don't post your registration info is removed. Anyway I have been reading these forum for quite a while now. I'm more of a student than anything else but after reading everything that is going on and watching how things are unfolding I have a fair assumption I would like to express. I may be wrong but what the heck here it goes.

Lets look at things on a wide perspective. Google indroduced Freshbot quite a while back and slowly but surely Freshbot has been getting better and better and "Deeper" at gathering website content. GG himself has stated that he would not mind a "Slow waltz" compared to the gruling update each month. I belive that Google is not "just" playing around with spam filters ( to which I applaud them). Judging by all the freshbot updates that have been going on the past few days without a trace of the deep crawler this late in the month makes me wonder if Google hasn't already started the "Slow Waltz" with consistant updates all month long instead of a huge crunch. Case in point. I had a friend come to me asking me why his site will not list in google at all. I took a look and he had a grey PR. The site had been up for over 6 months so I knew it didn't suffer from the "Newsite Itus" I looked closer at his html code and found out he had a few major mistake. Most noteably a closing HTML tag in the middle of the page. I repaired the errors and no less than 3 hours later his PR jumped not only to white, But to a PR2. I have seen this type of senerio play out on another site, but the PR didn't show til the next day. These are both recent events happening after the April 7th update. At around the same time SJ's database suffered a rollback of some kind preparing it for a content update. Some of you are wondering what I ment by rollback. Well I will try to explain. A friend of mine who is a web designer called me and asked why several sites dropped out of the google index and noted that the PR for the sites were all at 0. I checked the backlinks and google had none. I searched through all 8 datacenters for listings for each of his domains that dropped to PR0. All datacenters except SJ had his pages. So I did a search for an older domain that has been in the index for 6 months or more. SJ had it but the strange thing was... the cached pages were 4 months old. I checked several other sites and I noticed that the cached pages ranged from 2-4 months old. I belive the database was being prepared for a new bot on the block and retiring the deep crawler for good. Another reason I believe this is google now has a 9th known datacenter that has similar content to SJ. It appears to be updating a little faster than SJ but the results in its index are fairly similar. Also Datacenter 6 appears to be going through a change also. I guess the whole point of this post is to ask GoogleGuy point blank.

Is Google preparing its datacenters for a consistant month long update and is this scenerio playing out right now, and is this the cause of all the PR0 and lack of backlinks. Or did SJ crash from a bad filter and a restore from a backup was done to repair the error.

I know you are not obligated to say anything GoogleGuy. I know your response will be cryptic at best but a little truth is let out in each of your posts. I think I have read enough of them to figure it out :)

[Brett_Tabke]

Ya, we call it Liquid PR. eg: the end of updates and the start of continuous updating via the freshbot. Goodbye stale bot?

[mil2k]

You may like to have a look at a compilation of recent GG posts over here Understanding Dominic [webmasterworld.com]

[skipfactor]

>>Goodbye stale bot?

Goodbye update threads or hello liquid update threads? :O

[Kamin]

Mil2k I read through that post before I decided to make mine. It helped me to clerify a few things such as the new FI server being on the same database configureation as SJ. All im asking is if the natural progression of google has finally hit. Has google changed is patern of mass update to a "Liquid PR" Update as Brett has pointed out. I know the NDA Googleguy has must keep his speach down to a minimum. But I would think this IS google's evolution to a month long update. It's the only logical explaination as to what is going on. I for one am glad to see it finally arrive!

[McMohan]

I looked closer at his html code and found out he had a few major mistake. Most noteably a closing HTML tag in the middle of the page

A simple ignorant question - Does such mistake in HTML codes prevent a site/page being indexed by Google?

Mc

[Clark]

I hope you're right but WWW has been pretty constant for awhile other than the ever present everflux. Therefore it's even less fresh than when Google was doing consitent 30 day or so updates. They seem to be less on schedule. I think we'll see another update or two but what you say, liquid updates, or was it liquid PR, will come soon.

re: dominic GG thread:
BTW, Brett is it possible to code it so that all of googleguy's responses go in one thread (or automatically get copied there) so we can see what he has to say w/o chasing him? ;)

[McMohan]

Clark, I would simply see GGs User Profile and see the threads s/he has made comments in.

[Kamin]

MC to answer your question... It appears so. I have seen 3 sites with this very same problem. Having the closing html tag in the middle of the page with content after it screams spam. After the pages were corrected PR was returned to normal. I.E. White or Green.

[McMohan]

Hmmm... Nice point Kamin. Thanx

Oh, Welcome to WebmasterWorld Kamin!

Mc

[edited by: McMohan at 7:17 am (utc) on May 15, 2003]

[mil2k]

Kamin did you read my msg 60. That's just my take from reading all the posts(1000's) in the past days. Including GG and other Knowledgeable members.

[outrun]

Closing the html tag is a big error, so maybe google will have problems with really out of wack structures, but I have recently validated one of my websites (motivated by a thread ) that gets hit by the freshbot regularly and it had lots of stupid errors, like TD tags that werent closed, TR tags that werent closed BCOLOR spelt wrong (but even with these errors all major web browsers had no trouble seeing them properly). But its serp was good before still is and its pr wasnt affected.

regads
Mark

[BigDave]

It is certainly not the only possible explanation. It's not even a likely explanation. It is a possible explanation.

[Kamin]

I probably did. I have been reading tons of posts the past 4 weeks especially. I realise many similar questions have been posed to GG about what has gone on. The purpose of my post was to point blank flat out ask GG if this is the beginning of month long updates and the end of the deep crawler. I honestly don't think I will get a straight forward response because of his NDA. But I can always hope :)

MC thanks for the welcome. I have been visiting the forums for over a year now, but until now I haven't felt a need to post. I usually live by the moto "Always a student and listen until it is time to raise your hand" I felt it was time to raise my hand and ask a question :)