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AthlonInside

9:51 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't think 'Dominic' is the real dance. I should consider it as a PRE-DANCE.

A dance would have the new index propagate from 1 data center to another continuosly and would end in around 5 days.

But 'Dominic' is different. The index is new in SJ and FI. And that's it, they are still testing and testing and testing. No red button has been hit anyway, just some testing on SJ.

Directing www2 and www3 to SJ datacenter is to seek for feedbacks regarding their 'new index' especially from posts in webmasterworld.

ncsuk

9:59 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ive been saying this for the last week and a half and I will say it again to everyone...

"This is not a dance"

Thank You

needinfo

10:07 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I personally think that what we are use to seeing previously was the very end of the update. I now think we are seeing the FULL process for the first time. My prediction would be that in approx. 2 - 3 days we will start to see the update as we are use to seeing it.
If this is the case then I can't understand why Google are not doing this behind closed doors.

ncsuk

10:10 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When did the dance start last month? I think it was around the 15th in which case the update is early "VERY EARLY".

The updates of late have had an interval of around 36-38 days between them and so I sould say there is still a good 15 days to go before any dance should happen. This is of course on the assumption that all the tests Google have been doing of late "emphasis on the tests" are or are not meant to make the update process much similar and therefore there maybe bi-monthly updates to help Google because the database is soo damn big.

Gonzalez

10:15 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think they opened it to the "wide audience" so they can get real time feedback from webmasters.

As you probably noticed there are lots of posts like "my competitor is still cheating" and "I did this, is it dangerous?".

As filters are applied in sequence they can monitor everyone of them based on our feedback.

This is jus an opinion, not a conspiracy theory :)

ncsuk

10:16 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yeah GoogleGuy has turned into a lurker to catch us out. Hes sat there now on his 500th cup of Java coffee watching a waiting for someone to slip up :-P

ncsuk

10:22 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Incidentally I never do anything wrong GG :-) I just write tons of text up on my pages with lots of spiderfood because I like arachnids...!

mipapage

10:52 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if after all the feedback here they decided to throw fresh data into www.google, and save the -sj serps until they are a bit more refined...

Clark

11:03 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I concur

Chris_D

1:04 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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aarrggghhhh!

The world has changed and you have missed the point.

Do your own research.

Chris_D

mipapage

1:23 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If that's the case then the 'you should expect to see -sj move over to the other datacenters' sure is taking a loooong time...

Fwiw, if I go by this thread:
[webmasterworld.com ]

The world hasn't changed at all. Their plans may have, and we've gotten a peek into their world.

not a problem with the change, just seems the rollout of the change has, well, changed!

AthlonInside

1:46 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy is only one of the Lurkers. hehe. There are many more hiding behind the rock.

Feedbacks are important. Feedback are golds! And we produce golds for Google. That's why we are here at webmasterworld.

wackmaster

1:53 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)



Gee I thought we more or less had consensus on this:

1) We've been watching something never seen before - the entire pre-dance (or most of it anyway). The real dance has not begun yet.

2) The latest algorythms certainly appear to be different. G is (apparently) using Feb index on which to do it's testing ... and is (apparently) doing that tesing on -sj and -fi ... and the SERP's are not comparable to older SERP's (hence we're looking at new algo's).

3) When the new index is combined with the new algo's, THAT will be the result most likely to be pushed out to www.

4) Not sure when that will be, but if it's a month from the last update, could be expected to occur around 5/11. (I'm betting 5/12)

Now a question: We're staring to see some evidence that elements of the April crawl are being baked into results on -sj, -fi. Anyone else see that?

MurphyDog

1:53 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Totally wild!

For three days my hits from Google skyrocketed, and now are back down to the level I got used to from the last dance. Did anyone else notice that things returned to normal for their site?

Since I don't make my living off this (though I keep my dog in kibble), I don't mind the drop-off and am enjoying watching the dance or lead-up to the dance and everyone's opinions on it. This is fun.

latimer

2:18 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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murphy dog - I too saw spikes of traffic over the last few days from google, and I thought I saw the sj results on the main www once, but had a hard time catching it again. I am also interested in knowing what others observed and can verify as far as approximately how much exposure did the sj pre-dance index recieve on www proper? Anyone else see the traffic spikes?

Gonzalez

2:31 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I havenīt, but I'd be very happy if www-sj were final results. My best month is there.

mipapage

2:44 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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wackmaster

Thanks for the recap. I guess the change then is that "we get to watch".

(Not too shy are we, Google? :-o )

2) The latest algorythms certainly appear to be different. G is (apparently) using Feb index on which to do it's testing ... and is (apparently) doing that tesing on -sj and -fi ... and the SERP's are not comparable to older SERP's (hence we're looking at new algo's).

Not sure how then we'd even see the new algo, seeing as GG mentioned -sj has, for the most part, spam removal off and backlinks reduced (as evidenced by the wacked out pr when viewed thru -sj)

WRT new stuff on -sj:
Our serps still same as they were when this 'pre-dance' started

[edited by: mipapage at 5:10 pm (utc) on May 9, 2003]

wackmaster

3:42 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)



<Not sure how then we'd even see the new algo, seeing as GG mentioned -sj has, for the most part, spam removal off and backlinks reduced (as evidenced by the wacked out pr when viewed thru -sj)>

Right, hard to know. What we're trying to do is think about where we were in Feb, then look at -sj and -fi, and get a sense for what might have changed at the Googleplex to produce these results...but that may be a fools game since we don't know with each passing day how much of the algo IS or IS NOT factored into what we're looking at.

Not that we even know what the algo looks like to begine with ;-)

One thing I can say; we're not getting overly excited about the ups or the downs right now. Google only knows what the real SERP's will soon look like...

mipapage

3:43 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know, and damn it I want to see them! ;-)

abcdef

3:56 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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we just started seeing, in the last 24 hours, intermittent hits from www.google that were clearly from the sj/fi indexes. however only a few. 3 to be exact.

furthermore as the days go on, and the iterations take place on sj/fi, those indexes seem to more and more resemble the current index.

so we still think the final form of sj/fi will become the next update, when their iterations are complete, and guess our results will land somewhere between what we are seeing now on sj/fi, and the current www. index (last months update).

of course some might get trapped in new spam filters supposedly being applied, fortunately we will should not be one of them.

lots of posts, lots of threads. however in the end it might all be about nothing much of a change. we're watching. like everybody else.

quotations

3:57 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Anyone else see the traffic spikes?

One highly search sensitive site had a two day spike.

Sunday and Monday were more than 10% higher this week than last week. Saturday was much lower.

Day of week
04/23/2003 to 04/30/2003
05/01/2003 to 05/08-2003

Friday
3632
3293

Saturday
3748
3014

Sunday
3171
3522

Monday
4017
4445

Tuesday
4154
4147

Wednesday
3999
4025

Thursday
3780
3895

dwilson

4:03 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a couple new pages listed in WWW2 that are not out on WWW yet.

I think that means the new index is on WWW2 ... can't comment on new algorithm, except that some of my older pages have gone from 8th to 30th place. Not good ... I think low PR may be my problem there.

MurphyDog

5:58 pm on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A bunch of folks said they saw a spike in traffic. Did anyone see a big DROP in traffic from Google over the same time?