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waynet

7:03 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't know if this really means anything, but right now I see only 1000 backlinks for yahoo on www-sj.google.com.
Maybe they are just playing around with that database?

pixel_juice

8:20 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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sj seems to have a complete index a few weeks newer than the main index, for the sites i've checked.

JonB

8:38 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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beachlover: HOW did you check PR on sj-?

nancyb

8:39 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I had just been to -sj when this thread started.

One interesting thing I noticed is the changes in the top 1-5 sites - almost none!

Except - one site that I watch changed domain names last month. They were mirrors and both were listed in G but the old one was the only one that showed up in the SERPs. Now, the new domain name has moved up to #3 which is 2 spaces above the older domain's past rank. The old domain appears to be gone although I didn't search deeply for it.

Only interesting to watch, don't count on this being anything permanent, I think it's waaay too early.

AhmedF

8:41 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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this seems like what www-ex that sort of went on.

'earthquake' changes in some biggie keywords ... now www-sj seems to be across the board.

Results dont look good ... some things are way off as I see it

borisbaloney

8:47 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> Would Google ever go to realtime processing of backlinks and continual updates like Inktomi does?

There have been a large number of people commenting that freshbot is acting a lot more like deepbot recently. Could that be connected?

rfgdxm1

8:49 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Results dont look good ... some things are way off as I see it

Looks like a great index to me. Definitely seeing less emphasis on anchor text of inbound links.

rfgdxm1

8:55 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>There have been a large number of people commenting that freshbot is acting a lot more like deepbot recently. Could that be connected?

-sj definitely has more fresh content then the other servers. Unquestionable they are using this datacenter as a testbed. No way of predicting anything from such, because they might just decide this test gave worse results.

lasko

8:56 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-sj.google.com is showing a 3 month old database so the results are not new nor will their be an update.

I am sure Google has their very own testing internally and nobody would be able to see testing results.

lazyz

8:58 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm going with the old data-base theory... I'm seeing some links to my sites that disappeared a while ago.. I'm not seeing new sites deep crawled this last index. Odd for sure... Oh well...

DuhKid

9:00 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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SJ must be the results of the most recent crawl. I did a allinurl and have 90 new pages indexed. That's what I had ready for the last crawl. Hmmmm. I wonder what gives...?

Jacob_Jans

9:00 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<< www-sj.google.com is showing a 3 month old database so the results are not new nor will their be an update. >>

I'm seeing of my sites in there that have been up about a month. Whats interesting is that there are two versions of the pages when do a search for +domain.com.

AhmedF

9:01 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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the results for me have been PERPLEXING

too many internal pages are showing up .. and the front pages are disappearing

for example, you are looking for widgets

www.1widget.com/page is coming up, and www.1widget.com is gone .. even though the main page is much better focused

even better .. use this to search: [www-sj.google.com...]

Its more of raw results .. and they are way out of whack imo.

lasko

9:03 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I can not see another update in the next two weeks and all this guessing work is pointless.

The facts remain that Google updates every 4 to 6 weeks and change of baclink numbers are the only way of spotting an update.

This thread was correct to be started but should finish because their is no substance to the behavior of Google.

coconutz

9:05 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>www-sj.google.com is showing a 3 month old database

New pages added on April 9 are in these results so I doubt this index is older.

AhmedF

9:06 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i think it is important

if this is a sign of things to come, the algo has been QUITE changed as I see it

AFAIK, anchor text seems to be even MORE IMPORTANT now.

For an old gaming site I used to run, the second and third sites for the last while have been just there because of anchor text [one of the sites is in fact an Ultimate Search website]

With www-sj, it has fallen to third, and those other two have moved up. The first site being there only because of anchor text!

lasko

9:10 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What you see in www-sj.google.com is the old database of baclinks mixed with some recent fresh dates.

The site then shows the current main database. I have just seen the current results on the www-sj.google.com.

But ask why would they test on www-sj.google.com and not an internally hosted server so no one can see.

Not a lot to get excited about :(

JonB

9:12 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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not old index -i am seeing new pages in only few days old(could be fresh bot) .But could be what lasko said.

AhmedF

9:13 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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oh .. and sticky me if you want the keyphrase I was talking about

... no doubt in my mind that anchor text has increased from my example :-/

PFOnline

9:13 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Weird... Is it just me or am I the only one seeing normal backlinks for Yahoo: (661,000) and normal SERPS on:

[www-sj.google.com...]

and

[www-sj2.google.com...]

I don't see any of this 1000 link stuff or any weird activity whatsoever... Looks exactly like the regular google.com to me? hmm...

[edited by: PFOnline at 9:15 pm (utc) on April 26, 2003]

AhmedF

9:14 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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and now www-sj is back to the www results!

Jacob_Jans

9:14 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-sj.googe.com seems to be back to normal now.

coconutz

9:15 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looks like the brief glimpse of whatever this was is over.

PFOnline

9:17 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ah ha, that would make sense to why i wasnt seeing anything strange. :D

Darn, missed it...

Wonder if Google saw this thread and decided to change it back or something. ;)

JonB

9:17 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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indeed,my site is nowhere to be found again :)

pixel_juice

9:22 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Maybe google waited for a few comments from webmasterworld, and now they turned them off again :)

I agree with rfgdxm1:

>>Looks like a great index to me. Definitely seeing less emphasis on anchor text of inbound links.

Just the sort of thing I would like to see Google start implementing. Limiting links to the 1000 best for each site - that would throw up some interesting changes in the serps.

lasko

9:27 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I not going to say I told you so but, until we see backlink changes on www2 and www3 I don't think we will ever see anything specail.

I do wonder though, if a particular datacenter is under heavy traffic or has an emergency breakdown or whatever could it be they use an older version mixed with fresh dates.

This would seem a better explaination!

pixel_juice

9:30 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>older version mixed with fresh dates.

I definitely didn't see an older index on sj a few minutes ago. I saw low pr pages that are never really freshbotted with newer pages in the index. And a 1000 backlink limit.

>>I do wonder though, if a particular datacenter is under heavy traffic or has an emergency breakdown or whatever could it be they use an older version mixed with fresh dates.

I have high hopes that Google's data is rather more well protected that that ;)

lasko

9:35 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well one of my sites had an older version on it which didn't have fresh bot at the time and was showing my older versions mixed with some newer versions of my other sites.

So what you saw was some old web sites and fresh web sites mixed in with an old backlink database.

markusf

9:35 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well being a software developer myself i think this can be easilly explained...

They where using this datacenter as a test bed.
1. Run the PR calculation for only a few iterations and satistically speaking you will get close to the "final index"
2. Use the created database to test new algorithms your working on, such as spam detection.
3. Spend a few weeks testing it and if everything is ok, add it to the "real update process"

mrguy

9:36 pm on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Please!

In past months I've seen flucations on other data centers in between the updates and they NEVER turned out to be the new index.

Why would this one be any different and certainly why would they give the world an advance look at the next update.

Your all getting excited about nothing but I guess it is something to talk about!

For all my competitors, please OPTIMIZE your site for the sj data center! Pretty Please!

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