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mrguy

2:00 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It never ceases to amaze me!

Recently, in my industry Google as taken action against some serious spammers. Everything from 50 or so doorways to hidden image map links, etc, etc.

You would think that once they got the gray bar, they would get their act together and get rid of the reasons they got banned.

Instead, they are now trying to get around the ban by trying things that are all to obvious.

I recently put in my two cents about making the first time Google catches you spamming to be a 3-month offense. I now think that Google should remove sites that spam for good on the first offense no matter what the reason.

That way will certainly deter people from even thinking about spamming let alone getting caught once and then trying to get around it for a second try. Right now, it appears to be a big game for some of the more serious offenders. And of course for those who say, I didn’t know any better, well then I would say when you register your new domain to start over, now you do.

Just my two cents on an Easter Sunday!

GoogleGuy

2:05 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'd be interested to learn which sites are getting worse instead of better if you're willing to do a fresh spam report..

mack

2:27 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well rise above it. If they are getting worse than they clearly just don't get it.

If your site in clean then you will still be there when they are long gone.

jdMorgan

3:02 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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... But remember the clueless majority who've learned that hidden text, hundreds of keywords, and submitting monthly to "1000's of Search Engines" are the path to success by reading outdated "How-To" Web sites. They don't deserve a life sentence without parole. My observations are that Google knows this, and that's why it's only the obviously-professional spammers who get the big PR0.

Jim

mrguy

4:33 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi GoogleGuy,

I'm always willing to submit a spam report!

There will be one forthcoming!

:)

Visit Thailand

5:04 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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jdmorgan, I agree with you entirely a life time ban would be completely wrong.

We have just hired new people and they are working on some pages, but I have to check each and every page at the moment as they are new.

When you consider that embezzlement is a major problem all over the world, it is very easy for staff to spam without your knowledge.

I think that eventually they will be caught out but it will always happen, perhaps some form or rating could be attributed to sites somehow that considers all factors such as how long the site has been running, whether it is a regular spammer, how serious the spam is, how fast the spam was removed by the owner / webmaster when informed of it etc.

There is a lot that can be done and of course site owners need to be made aware of the penalties and have to take a certain amount of responsibility and safety controls.

Like I have always said though I have never submitted a spam report and most likely never will, mainly because there are still a million things that need to be done to my own sites to improve them. I concentrate on that and know that sooner or later the spammers will be found out.

JeremyL

5:05 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have given up on getting spam out of my keywords. I have reported a site that is nothing more then about 1800 doorway affiliate pages and still it rankes in the top 10 for most of its terms. Why? Well it has a grey bar but since they spam a pr7 demo message board they get all the rankings they want. So grey bar sites have no problem spamming up the index.

born2drv

5:18 am on Apr 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure how Google penalizes sites, but I think there needs to be different types of penalties assigned.

For example, mom & pop shop sees spam, copies it and "optimizes" their site with similar techniques. I don't think this should trip a lifetime penalty. If they knew what they were doing they never would have spammed.

Then we have the hardcore spammer. Registers 50 domains at a time and just interlinks and spams like crazy. He obviously cares little about his sites, there's no branding going on. These sites should be penalized heavily, sites linking to them should be penalized moderately - heavily, etc.

The thing is, you can program filters to find spam, but not "intent to spam" if you know what I mean... kind of like intent to commit murder. :) If it's premediated cold-blooded serial spamming, that deservers serious penalties. Like tracking down all the guys domains and hanging him by his..... well you know :)