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I can be in the listing within 2-5 days (PR5 linked), I'll disappear for a day regularly and pop back the next..
My keywords tend to be dramatically volatile, ie 'this that' will show me first page, 'this that more' I wont exist (I assume this is due to my complete lack of PR)
Sites, (all similar structure, no similar content) tend to get 12 out of 60+ pages initially, and after each dance 20/30+ out of 60 (some show PR0 for the first month)
I have found that I have had to try to think of the many different formats that might be used for an enquiry and then try to include all of them in the page.
Initially, if anyone typed 2003 05 07 in any order as a part of their query, the page I have been working on would be found somewhere in the listings, but the position varied wildly depending on which order those numbers were typed in. However, the page was not listed at all if either May was used instead of 05 for the month, nor was it listed if either 7 or 7th was used instead of 07 for the day number.
I have therefore had to try to work all of these elements into the page: 2003 05 May 07 7 7th, but even so, I have noticed that depending on the elements used in the query, and the order used, that the page may still go up or down the listings by several dozen, and in one case several hundred, places.
I expect that this behaviour isn't intuitive to many users, nor to many web designers; in that looking for 7 May 03 might bring no useful information, whilst 2003 05 07 might have brought hundreds of hits.
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Is this yet another reason to ask for standardisation of date formats, as in an old thread [webmasterworld.com] or older thread [webmasterworld.com] from last year, and an ancient thread [webmasterworld.com] from 2001?
Of course, all of this will eventually happen anyway, but only when data is encapsulated in XML tags that state what the data actually is, and the data uses only a limited subset of allowed formats based on ISO 8601 [RFC 3339].
[Hmm, 400 posts!]
Listed in the index on 2003-03-29 and 2003-03-30 and then tonight no longer to be found anywhere at all.
I really don't want to have to make changes to the pages every day just to stay listed. Oh for an update, and soon!
My site has 0 pr in google. I have been working on high quality link partners and have good amount of link partners.
Some people will not link to me, and say that I might be banned from google, so they dont want to associate with me. Is there a way to find out if this is true?
I have around 30 high pr link partners and wondering how can I improve my own pr.
I've been working on this for about a month now, and I dont see any results that link to me, but they do.
I appreciate if you can help me out.
I have found that I have had to try to think of the many different formats that might be used for an enquiry and then try to include all of them in the page.
While the problems associated with differing date formats might be true, I'm thinking that you might be aiming at the wrong key phrases.
I rarely include precise dates in any query. Perhaps a month and/or a year, but never a complete date. I would suggest targeting "May" and some subject terms.
As form keeping freshbot coming: It sounds like you're doing fairly well right now, but if I were you, I'd start adding a new page now and again to make sure that freshbot remains well fed.
If you explain to potential link partners that your site is new, they're usually a lot more open to linking with you despite the PR0.
In this case the event takes place for several hours on a specific date. There have been other events on random dates for a very long time. Some people, those that know that the events are usually separated by several years, will probably only enter the year in their enquiry. Those who do not know this fact may very well enter more detail for the date; and then fail to find the site if their format is different to any that have been used on the site. That's why I tried to cover all angles.
The page does very well for about 5 or 6 other keywords, nearly always in the top 40, and mostly in the top 20 for most two word searches (often top 5). For most three word searches it is number one; but when adding the date to the query it is sink or swim time depending on the format used.
After the site dropped out of the listings a couple of days ago, I reverted the page content back to the very first version of the site (out of the three that have been published in the last week or so) and this has resulted in the site now being shown back in the listings with a 31 Mar 2003 tag; however the site title shown by Google is still from version 3 of the site, which is the one in the Google cache!
In for a day. Out for a day. Ad infinitum. How long to the next update?
>>In for a day. Out for a day. Ad infinitum. How long to the next update?
Are your pages static html or dynamic? If you have dynamic pages or can use includes you could write a few decent sized paragraphs about your event (that have changed content) in a text file and then use a randomising script to display a random one every page view. You could this with a couple of lines of PHP. This could get the freshbot to keep indexing your page, and would definitely save you having to write something every day. Just a thought...
>>how long til the next update?
A major update will be fairly soon, I think.
I just noticed that the .com version of the site is what was originally listed in Google; but that several good links from other sites actually point to the .net version of the URL which Google has never listed; however Google is listing some of those pages that contain the "incorrect" link - the ISP automatically provides several formats that can be used: home.isp.com/user/ and home.isp.net/user/ as well as www.user.isp.com/ and a few others. I am wondering if that is going to cause a big problem.
A three keyword search, one that has previously returned between three and five results each time when tried in the last week or two, today returns five results (and does not include the site this thread is about), of which three have a 05 Apr 2003 fresh tag on them. One of the sites also includes a link to the page in question.
I assume that the site isn't now going to make it into the index this time around; the update being sometime about now or in the next few days.
Still no listing for the site, that was doing so well last week. I assume it has now missed the update. Is there any way to tell beforehand?
On the morning of April 12th, there is a listing for a very limited number of keywords. It isn't for the main site, but instead it is for just a single introduction page that I added to another high PR site. The introduction just has one paragraph of text, and a link through to the site itself. Google has listed this page in preference to the site, and it doesn't rank very well. It doesn't have a fresh tag, so I assume that it is the updated entry in place for the next month.
This evening, the situation is much the same, except that the introduction page is now at about position 3 to 7 for several good keyword combinations. However, it doesn't list at all for several other desirable combinations, ones that the main site itself is highly optimised for, and which did very well in the few days that the site itself was listed as fresh just over a week or so ago. Hmmmmm.
Today the site is suddenly back in the listings with 15 Apr 2003 tags, even though nothing has been changed on the site for over a week. In fact for one three-keyword search there are only 10 results returned, and seven of these are marked as fresh.
In one single-keyword search the site is number one in 4.8 million listings. You cannot be serious? These results must be biased, as I was doing searches involving that specific keyword, but combined with others, just before that. I wonder if I would get the same result if I did that search somewhen else from a different machine?
Last evening, while using Google, I realised that several sites in the listings, ones that I had already visited, no longer showed their link in the visited colour, on some searches. I then noticed that Google had appended some long, almost random, character information to the end of the site URL, as shown in the browser status bar on mouseover. Looks like they were tracking something. Would that be the listed site or the Google user?
I have managed to get one of those pages marked as robots: noindex,follow and hope that on the next pass, Google decides to re-add the site itself, rather than this page that just links to it.
Made a few content changes yesterday, added a news section, so I hope freshbot likes what it sees.
Disappointed to read in other threads that the next update is likely to be between May 10 and 16th. Darn, the site only needs to be in Google on May 6th and May 7th; the rest of eternity doesn't matter at all.
