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Anyone making serious money from adsense?

     

Seb7

9:22 am on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I'm trying hard to attempt to make a living out of websites, but I'm finding as the traffic has creeped up and up over the months, its hardly effecting my daily earnings. (I does seem to me that the more clicks I get, lower the CPC - which I know plenty of people have already dicussed at great lengths.)

My question is; are there really people out there making real money from Adsense? (like over $100 daily) and what sort of (real) visits numbers do I need before I'm able to acheive this?

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chrisv1963

1:03 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Yes, over $100 daily is possible (I make a lot more). You will need a quality website and at least 10.000 visitors per day.

Scurramunga

1:06 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Yes, over $100 daily is possible (I make a lot more). You will need a quality website and at least 10.000 visitors per day.

You can make over $100 per day with far less visitors than 10 000 per day.

farmboy

1:13 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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You can make over $100 per day with far less visitors than 10 000 per day.

I agree.

And you don't need a particularly large site.

FarmBoy

piatkow

1:25 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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So many variables. CTR differs by sector, EPC differs by sector.

ecmedia

1:47 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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There is no one good answer as to how many visitors, which sector, etc. will make a hundred bucks a day since each website is so unique. Plus, what works today may not work tomorrow due to downturn in the advertising market. Having said that, it is fair to assume that if you have a decent website that provides useful information to people, you will need somewhere between 3 and 8 thousand good-quality visitors to make US$100 bucks daily.

calman

2:12 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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You can also have a site with far more than 10,000 visitors per day and earn far less than $100.00 per day.

AdSense can perform all the way from spectacularly in some niches to pathetically in others.

As Piatkow says, there are many variables. CTR rates, for example, can vary enormously from one niche to another.

Generally, AdSense will perform much better if you can attract interested visitors to your site who will not only click on a Google ad but also take some sort of action as a result (buying decision etc.). Clearly, some niches are much more likely to attract that type of a visitor than others.

Some niches have a far more limited supply of advertisers related to their subject matter than others. This will obviously have a huge impact on your AdSense results.

HuskyPup

2:12 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)



it is fair to assume that if you have a decent website that provides useful information to people, you will need somewhere between 3 and 8 thousand good-quality visitors to make US$100 bucks daily.

I think that's a fair approximation and then, generalising, if one is Markus007 in the right niche at the right time with the right knowledge and abilities, then USD 1,000+ per day is within reach or even USD 3 million in 3 months! Try here:

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ember

2:27 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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You certainly don't need 10,000 visitors a day, or even a month, to make more than $100 a day. So much depends on the quality of the site, the quality of the traffic and the niche.

Seb7

4:20 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your replies, has giving me more hope. I seem to be spending 50% of my time trying to keep the damm CPC up.

HuskyPup

4:30 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)



I seem to be spending 50% of my time trying to keep the damm CPC up.

Your EPC is something over which you have no control thanks to so-called Smart Pricing, mine varies between USD 0.01 ~ 2.00.

Conventional wisdom says that too many ad units will affect your EPC, this certainly used to be true however whether it still is I am not so sure.

What does affect your EPC is how much competition is there for your ad space. Just check your keywords in Google.com and check how many ads are across the top in yellow, normally 3, and how many pages of sponsored links there are.

The more pages the better the chance of higher EPCs and usually the ads on the first couple of pages are the ones you want to see on your site.

pixar24

9:53 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I think a good niche is very important indeed.
I have between 40 000-50 000 visitors/day. Quality Website (image gallery) with images about thousands diffrent things. ( but no specific niche )
Good CTR. a lot! of clicks. But it's hard to reach 200$/day.

martinibuster

10:30 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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>>The more pages the better the chance of higher EPCs...

Right, right, yes, yes! It's crazy watching what catches fire and what languishes, almost seems random but of course it's not. Brett's pyramid structure is a good way of visualizing a Master Topic with ever granular sub-topics the deeper you click into the site.

dataguy

11:41 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I have a site which employs about a dozen people solely from AdSense, so it is indeed possible to make serious money from AdSense.

Forgive me for over simplifying this, but I'm often approached by others who want to earn their living from AdSense and they want to know what it will take. I tell them that basically a penny per unique, organic visitor is what they should expect.

After a few moments of doing the math, they have a pretty good idea of why they are making $2 a day instead of $1,000.

dibbern2

2:48 pm on Apr 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Like dataguy, I, too, favor the earnings/visitor metric. I aim a couple of pennies higher than his example.

ronin

3:10 pm on Apr 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I tell them that basically a penny per unique, organic visitor is what they should expect.

That's a good rule of thumb. Once you get the hang of targeting things properly you can drive your eIPOV (estimated Income per Organic Visitor) up to $0.10 or more. But when you start out expecting nothing more than $0.01 will keep your feet on the ground (and your nose to the grindstone).

farmboy

4:09 pm on Apr 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I seem to be spending 50% of my time trying to keep the damm CPC up.

God grant me the ability to change the things I can, the patience to endure the things I can't change and the wisdom to know the difference.

Ancient prayer, applies to AdSense today.

FarmBoy

MFKaHB

1:08 pm on Apr 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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In the good old days of arbitrage my best month resulted in a USD (5 figures) profit. Don't know what that is per day.

[edited by: MFKaHB at 1:52 pm (utc) on April 27, 2008]

dataguy

1:40 pm on Apr 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Like dataguy, I, too, favor the earnings/visitor metric. I aim a couple of pennies higher than his example.

That's a good rule of thumb. Once you get the hang of targeting things properly you can drive your eIPOV (estimated Income per Organic Visitor) up to $0.10 or more. But when you start out expecting nothing more than $0.01 will keep your feet on the ground (and your nose to the grindstone).

In 1997 I read an article about a "web-preneur" who was hiring programmers to build sites, knowing that he could convert the traffic into a penny per visitor, so I've been thinking about the eIPOV of 1 cent for over decade.

My main site earns a little bit more than this, but over the years I'd say that I have talked to as many people who say they earn less than this as I have talked to people who earn more. I guess this means that 1 penny is close to the median, if not the average.

If I could find someone to advise me to make my earnings 10 cents per visitor instead of what it is, I'd could buy them a house in exchange and still make a profit my first month!

dibbern2

4:36 pm on Apr 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If I could find someone to advise me to make my earnings 10 cents per visitor instead of what it is, I'd could buy them a house in exchange and still make a profit my first month!

And I could through in a new Lexus (or whatever)!

folsol

8:22 am on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I think making 100 $/day is posible but visitors should be >> 10000 [greater than 10k]. Bkuz i am having 5k visitors but not making $ 50. Just having $ 15/pay.......So, Concept of 10k is wrong as i think.

spaceylacie

9:08 am on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If I drop below 5k a month, it's a really bad month for me. I'm at about 25k a day visitors and it ranges from 150 a day to 400 a day. 10k visitors to make 100 dollars per day sounds about right but too many variables.

zett

9:18 am on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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basically a penny per unique, organic visitor

Yep, that's a very good rule of thumb and valid for my sites, too.

I find that the revenue per unique organic visitor is more solid than anything else in the Adsense program. In fact, I even think that eCPM and CPC are depending on (and a function of) the number of unique organic visitors rather than depending on advertisers bid.

folsol

12:35 pm on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I mean to say 5k visitors/ day . NOT PER MONTH. i am having 5k hits/day but having only 15 dollars/day....

zett

1:07 pm on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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folsol:

if you are seeing 5k hits per day, this could easily translate into 1500 unique visitors per day (what is a "hit" for you?). Then the rule of thumb would be OK (5000 hits --> 1500 uniques --> $15.00).
Unless you are running a page where 1 page = 1 hit = 1 unique. Which would be a very strange page and probably aimed at high CTR (the term 'MFA' comes to mind). Which then would be probably hit by low EPC and eCPM.

trader

1:59 pm on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I'm finding as the traffic has creeped up and up over the months, its hardly effecting my daily earnings.

That is an anomaly myself and other site owners I know seem to have experienced for a long time. It appears the more new sites you have running Adsense and more Adsense pages with traffic have a mysterious reverse correlation to revenue, which is the opposite of what effect you would think more websites and traffic would have.

Some folks are guessing G knows you have a lot of sites and/or pages on Adsense and somehow in-effect penalizes you.

basically a penny per unique, organic visitor is what they should expect.

If by organic visitor you mean Adsense Page Impressions that estimate is very accurate vs my own stats, i.e. for this month earnings are 1.2 pennies per Page Impression. March and Feb my number was 1.1 pennies.

This looks to be a unique and valuable metric which I never heard about before. Thanks for mentioning it.

P.S. Is there a difference between the term organic visitors and page impressions?

folsol

3:14 pm on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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What is Difference between Hits and Unique Hits. My Concept is not Clear abt it. How I can know my Unique visitors instead of Hits

dataguy

3:45 pm on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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That is an anomaly myself and other site owners I know seem to have experienced for a long time. It appears the more new sites you have running Adsense and more Adsense pages with traffic have a mysterious reverse correlation to revenue, which is the opposite of what effect you would think more websites and traffic would have.

Yeah, I used to complain about this too, but I now have a new theory:

It seems that when I work on improving end-user experience on one of my sites, it always increases in CPM. When I leave a site alone to work on other sites, CPM drops. This makes me wonder if Internet growth and increased competition means that any site which is not improving end-user experience is actually losing ground.

I think it has been established that end-user experience is somehow connected to CPM. My suspicion is that getting more sites and more visitors is not enough, end-user experience has to be improving just to maintain CPM with AdSense.

Pepito

4:53 pm on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Hello, below is part of the stats of one of my site from yesterday, could tell me how many, aprox, of unique visitors I had?

Thanks

Total Sessions Served11188
Total Hits133763
Total Page Hits23661
Total Non Page Hits110102
Total Session Duration955046s
Total Transferred 3.09 GB

Server Activity Averages

Total Sessions Served11188
Average Hits Per Session11
Average Page Hits Per Session2
Average Session Duration85s
Average Transfer/Session 289.86 kB

Page views per session breakdown

3982 (36.7%)sessions made0page requests
5114 (47.1%)sessions made1page requests
1197 (11.0%)sessions made2-5page requests
230 (2.1%)sessions made6-10page requests
155 (1.4%)sessions made11-20page requests
128 (1.2%)sessions made21-50page requests
29 (0.3%)sessions made51-100page requests
20 (0.2%)sessions made101+page requests

HuskyPup

6:01 pm on Apr 28, 2008 (gmt 0)



Not knowing which program you are using it would appear that you had:

10,855 Unique visitors
333 Returning visitors
2.11 Pages viewed per visitor

83.8% of your visitors left after only 1 page request, not at all sticky.

That's what I see anyway!

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