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For this day (17 May), does it mean that they will pay for April 1-30 earnings, or for May (1-18) also?
Are you trying to say that you still have hope?
Like, perhaps making some changes and getting a reprive?
The more I read and think about it I also quite frankly think this is done unfairly perhaps even evil.
Considering that arbitrage sites are geared towards throwing out cheap ads to get people to come to their site so they can click more expensive ads, I think what Google is doing is not only good, but is overdue.
I consider such a business model to go against what Google wants, because it's not natural as far as Google is concerned. It harms the system, it harms legitimate AW and AS customers.
These people are gaming the system. Either they are lazy or they don't want to spend the time studying SEO (which I guess is also lazy), or they don't want to spend the time writing content that would draw traffic (again, lazy) and so rather than build legitimate traffic, they'd rather just buy traffic.
perhaps the AdSense team is just overwhelmed so they turn to drastic measures.
Considering that many have been complaining about arbitrage sites for a long time, I would say this wasn't very drastic.
These people are gaming the system. Either they are lazy or they don't want to spend the time studying SEO (which I guess is also lazy), or they don't want to spend the time writing content that would draw traffic (again, lazy) and so rather than build legitimate traffic, they'd rather just buy traffic.
Are you trying to say that you still have hope?
[edited by: martinibuster at 8:02 pm (utc) on May 21, 2007]
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I try to read once and just pass on the critical rant, in a rather detached manner.
Thanks.
I'm here to make money, and lots of it. You can play with your hobby sites and think you're doing OK & saving the world. I prefer to work 2hrs a day & pursue the things in life that are (for me) far more important than anything that involves the 'net.err, I hit the wrong button.
Anyways, the majority of arbitrage sites I've seen, were MFAers, something that Google definitely does not want, per their TOS and what Matt and other Googlers have said. Most of us block and report them, which Google encourages.
You say you spend 2 hours a day working and the rest doing other stuff, and that's great for you, if it makes you happy.
There is a certain pleasure in creating something that people will not only find naturally, but that they will come back to, as well as refer their friends to (and even link from their own sites, if they have them). We may not make as much money as MFA sites, but Google definitely likes these types of sites - such that we don't have to buy traffic.
It's a different business model than arbitrage, and like I said, we may not make as much money as arbitrage/MFA sites, but we aren't in here complaining that Google is cutting us off like the arbitragers are doing.
[edited by: gendude at 8:15 pm (utc) on May 21, 2007]
[edited by: martinibuster at 8:18 pm (utc) on May 21, 2007]
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So no, banning MFA sites owners is not "evil" or "harsh", letting them thrive for so long was. Thanks Google for trying to protect Adsense's reputation for the long term instead of taking arbitrageurs money in the short term. That takes some vision.
So no, banning MFA sites owners is not "evil" or "harsh", letting them thrive for so long was. Thanks Google for trying to protect Adsense's reputation for the long term instead of taking arbitrageurs money in the short term. That takes some vision.
Not only does it take vision, it takes guts to give up the arbitrage/AS money in the short term. Google should be applauded for that. A lot of companies would have looked the other way, especially when given Google's lead in the advertising arena.
Of course, Google knows that, as you pointed out with your comment about having some vision, ditching the arbitrage/MFA sites is a good long-term move. It helps with their reputation not just with AW/AS customers, but overall - there are plenty of other advertising networks, and while they maybe far behind Google, if Google did nothing, that lead could diminish over the years.
Thanks Google for trying to protect Adsense's reputation for the long term instead of taking arbitrageurs money in the short term. That takes some vision.
I think it has less to do with protecting AdWords/AdSense's reputation for the long term. If that were the case then those sites wouldn't have been allowed for so long. If Google felt they were breaking their TOS they'd be saying goodbye with a boot in the butt. Instead, Google is sending them off with a hug and a kiss. What do you think that means?
I don't think it's accurate to describe that kind of parting as having to do with protecting their long term interests, especially in light of their history of tolerating those sites for so long. As someone else mentioned in this thread, it likely has very much to do with the rumoured rollout in AdWords to allow advertisers to see where their clicks are coming from, and the impact it may have on advertiser perception on the quality of the content network.
I've had to get so far detached that I'm using a long stick to get to my keyboard.
This is the main reason that I don't participate much in these type of forums.
Strange as it may sound, I can understand the frustration felt by people who devote a lot of time to their sites and believe they're not seeing the returns they should in relation to their effort. I know, I was once there myself.
But in the end, it all comes down to what you really want to do in life. And what's the fastest way from point A to B.
Hence I decided to take the course I did. And it paid off handsomely and has given me a life style that once I only dreamed about.
And for those that think arbitrage is a walk in the park, think again. Profitable niches don't just jump out at you, writing good copy is a skill that has to be learned, optimization of templates etc all takes a *lot* of time.
And all along the way I was risking my own cash. Cash that was coming from my own pocket. For those that feel disgruntled towards people such as myself, are you willing to risk a few $1000 in start up costs with no guarantee you will succeed?
I make no apologies for any success I achieved. I feel it was earned.
