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How about considering G for what they are, a business associate. As one, G is highly secretive, always demands their own terms (in reality, they don't even give you any choice, they just do what they please), and pays little regard to the many thousands of associates with whom they do business.
While we all signed on for the same treatment, they seem to make little effort to ensure continued good relations. A serious challenger to their monopoly might change their attitude.
That's all some of us are saying. Defending G, when they've made such an obviously poor choice in not paying out before Christmas, is a tough call.
Just imagine, people like me would be praising them if they had simply issued a payment 5-7 days earlier. Is that so difficult to understand?
Merry Christmas to all!
But you have to consider that we are being treated as one big bundle, how else can a company handle tens or hundreds of thousands of business partners?
So what they do is add a personal touch here and there whenever it is feasible, people can confuse that with a real one on one relationship.
And yes, would have been a nice touch if they paid early, but as far as I am concerned they're keeping their end of the deal even if they didn't.
joined:Dec 5, 2006
Thank you G.
joined:Dec 5, 2006
Think positive thoughts, as positive thoughts will help present you a positive future, negative thoughts will prove themselves in good time and I'm not one for looking at the negative side any longer.
Hobbs, try to Value Google, as it is not in Google's interest to value you as a small publisher (in their eyes you are one of many of the worlds people that keep adwords/adsense moving and you alone mean nothing to them as they have others who appreciate them) and if you really want respect, start by giving them the respect they deserve by giving you this equal oppertunity to earn money from your sites traffic.
Not happy hobbs? then your appreciation is low and you'll realise your future will be far less than those who want more who are greatful.
btw. since i posted my last post my ecpm went up :)
Since that time, payment has been made between the 23rd and the 26th every month, except for December 2004 when I see payment made on December 16th. Last year was the 23rd, not really different from any other month.
joined:Dec 5, 2006
Google is a business we can prefer to deal with, a partner we can respect, a search engine we choose to use over others, if your position is groveling and kissing their toes that's up to you, has nothing to do with appreciating Google or being loyal to Google, for if your earnings drop and another network pays more for for teenagers traffic as an example, you will probably jump ship for better pay. We make business decisions not love relationships, but again, it's totally up to you, feel all the love you want.
[edited by: Hobbs at 9:00 pm (utc) on Dec. 25, 2006]
1/Who will actually replace google with someone else because they haven't paid out early-answer absolutely no-one
2/Does it matter when you get your money if it is within their terms - if it is sent before the 31st of December - you got it early. Do you complain if you are paid early from your "day job" as well-no you don't!
3/Not happy with THEIR terms, see point 1
Hopefully next months PIP thread wil be back to good old, "I've got my money, ain't life great" etc etc.
1/Who will actually replace google with someone else because they haven't paid out early-answer absolutely no-oneI seem to remember many people moving to Google in the beginnig because they paid so much sooner than everyone else. Of course it probably didn't hurt that they were also paying more than all but some high paying affiliate programs. Getting the money in a timely fashion is important. 'Timely' is defined partly by expectations. In the past there has never (to my recollection) been more than 5 days between the first PIP and the money being in my account, even before EFT. Therefore, they have not lived up to the expectations which they helped create. If all things were equal, and Yahoo provided better service, it's an awful easy switch to make. Unfortunately in my sector, things aren't close to being equal. Google pays much better
edited to make a little more sense
Look, now somebody has switched because Google didn't pay early.
[edited by: Powdork at 3:08 am (utc) on Dec. 26, 2006]
a) I'm not grateful to Google nor should anyone else here should be. Without Publishers there would not be an AdSense. Indeed the converse [including Advertisers] is equally true.
I do not, nor ever would, doff my cap in homage to AdSense. Neither should anyone else here.
In any event, 40+ years of hard business experience tells me that we need one another. AdSense and us. You feel a need to feel grovelly then you need hard business experience where it's a jungle and no matter how good your are, you grow up in the "school of hard knocks".
AdSense will terminate or otherwise screw you in a heart beat if it suits. Don't be grateful. See yourself as an equal partner in an otherwise secret and most probably an unequal agreement.
Again, 40+ years of hard business experience tells me that those with the upper hand have [or ought to have] a moral obligation to behave much better. They have the power.
b) I omitted in an earlier post that my policy toward my staff at Christmas also extended toward my creditors.
The little people due to receive payments around 1st January received their cheques at least seven clear business days before Christmas [back in those days to allow for bank clearing times]. Big Corporations simply received their payment by due date.
FWIW and as Mr. Ripley said:
"Believe it or not"
I've been critical of Google, but really I don't think the 'not getting paid by christmas' is really all that big of a deal. Is it a bummer? Maybe, but I'm sure I'll find something to do with the money on Wednesday.
I am a bit worried about the difference between check PIP and EFT PIP, as it could be a sign of some sort of trouble within the system.
<blackHelicoptersCircling>Someone hacked the system and forced bank changes on the 15th knowing Google would rush the payments for Xmas. Google only discovered the problem after announcing PIP for checks</blackHelicoptersCircling>
[edited by: Powdork at 7:35 am (utc) on Dec. 26, 2006]
Google's published dates for payment only seem to say that you should take action if you do not receive your EFT payment by 5th or yout cheque by 25th of the FOLLOWING month.
Now maybe there would be something to debate if we were talking about G sending out cheques (for October earnings) a little earlier than usual to ensure the cheques arrived in time to be banked by 25th, but if EFT payments for November earnings don't reach bank accounts until 29th December 06, then they are still earlir that the published "latest payment date".
Lots of businesses would pay late this time of year and blame it on the holiday - with G they are just not paying quite so early as they usually do. This seems totally fair and reasonable to me.
As for the difference between EFT and Cheque times, most companies do that today as they want to reduce admin costs by eliminating paper cheques as much as possible and the current system is a subtle nudge, a bit frustrating for those in countries where you can't elect to receive via EFT though.Look at the UK..all social security/benefit payments are made via bank accounts now.
How dare they delay our money!
When do I get paid?
We'll send your check or EFT payment within approximately 30 days of the end of the month in which your account balance reaches US$100, unless a payment hold exists or unless otherwise agreed to in writing (including electronic mail).
Your monies are delayed only if they are paid later than 31th. Stop whining, if G pays earlier on x months does not mean they will do it every month. Their terms are clear, I don't see any point debating about it.
Still no PIP here in Finland.
Your success with AdSense and online publishing in general hinges on your ability to diversify, and be tolerant to sudden changes in earnings and traffic.
Best circulated advice down here is to make sure you always have at least 6 months worth of spending on reserve and untouched, this way a one month or two delay won't make you nervous.
... and yes, our account has earned more than $100 in November :)