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12:32 pm on Sep 24, 2019 (gmt 0)

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System: The following 22 messages were cut out of thread at: https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4962430.htm [webmasterworld.com] by brett_tabke - 9:39 am on Sep 24, 2019 (cst -5)


Holy #*$!, official core update will be rolling out later today!

[twitter.com...]
5:25 pm on Oct 2, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Has there been any official word regarding whether this update is fully rolled out?

I got hit hard 1 week prior to official start date, and then nothing, no change. Finally yesterday and today I have been seeing an uptick in traffic, recovering some of the loss. But nothing conclusive.
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The best, thanks)
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Is this a page speed problem? I just ran my site through page speed insights which is different than it used to be and the results are not good a score of 20, it used to be 89 (what is garbage collection and main thread work, are they new pc terms?)

Minimize main-thread work 17.5 s
Category
Time Spent
Script Evaluation
10,406 ms
Other
1,777 ms
Style & Layout
1,664 ms
Rendering
1,291 ms
Garbage Collection
1,148 ms
Script Parsing & Compilation
939 ms
Parse HTML & CSS
270 ms

Reduce JavaScript execution time 11.1 s

Avoid an excessive DOM size 1,301 elements (1301 is less than 1500 according to my maths )

Browser engineers recommend pages contain fewer than ~1,500 DOM elements. The sweet spot is a tree depth < 32 elements and fewer than 60 children/parent element. A large DOM can increase memory usage, cause longer style calculations, and produce costly layout reflows. Learn more.

Total DOM Elements
1,301
Maximum DOM Depth
<div class="grid-category__image-spacer-inner">
32
Maximum Child Elements
<body lang="en" class="bgd-attachment-fixed WIDGET-customer-loggedOut WIDGET-lang-en dragdrop-dropTarget dragdrop-boundary" id="WIDGET_body" data-pin-hover="true">
51

All of them are CMS related and out of my control, I have changed the cms to widget to follow the rules but my cms are very progressive and up to date, I do have a load speed issue because I use my country hosting so the site is built from embed code but given our very dodgy wifi my site loading in 3 or 4 seconds is fast compared to some sites.

Can you see what your scores are to see if we can find some common ground on what is going on.
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Has anyone recovered on this update that got big hit on March 2019 core update?
I recovered just nearly 10% then nothing...
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@TerseaD These are all common web perofrmance terms and pretty much any professional web developer should understand these concepts.

If you run your site through WebPagetest you will get all sorts of details about how your page renders.

Based on what you shared I would say you have way too much JavaScript in play.

My baseline is time to first interaction should be 2 seconds or less on desktop and 3 on mobile. And by mobile I mean an average 3G connection on an average phone, like a Moto 4 or something in that class.

If you are fast under those conditions then you are fast period.

If you CMS is crushing you then you should look to get something you have control over. I recommend static web pages and very little JS. I build pretty good sized applications with 50-100kb of JavaScript and consumer content sites with < 50kb routinely.
8:16 am on Oct 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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docluv + we are still mainly on 2g!
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SEMrush recording high fluctuations again
9:13 am on Oct 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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If you are in e-commerce is amazon fulfilling the product you sell for a Chinese manufacturer by any chance?

The buyers disappear because they go direct to amazon and traffic should stop as well on e-commerce sites.
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Yeap. the Sensor of Semrush goes up again and mostly categories of Arts, News and Sports seem to affected
12:45 pm on Oct 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Took a major position hit overnite, so yes, this update is still rolling over us all. This should do it for me. It was a great 20 years. Good luck to all.
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@Samwest I feel for you. I think you might have been my first interaction on here. I can remember thinking with a client many years ago how similar our patterns were and how you must have been equally frustrated. I'm sorry to hear you're struggling now.

We're seeing ups and downs across all of our product. We have been making small improvements (albeit very small and frequent) since the sept launch. Today has sent everything crazy again, where some terms dramatically improve and others dont. No pattern... everything is just mental.
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The Google News and Discover traffic which I gained after the September update has gone all of a sudden today. It may be because of heavy news coverage in my niche or it's update related :/
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@MayankParmar where were you getting the traffic from? I mean country/region wise.
1:55 pm on Oct 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@seomotionz India for Google Discover (googleapis.com). Other countries for Google News.
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@MayankParmar may have been due to the holiday season. Our traffic (which sites gets India traffic) is also down its usual this time of the year.
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Im wondering now if this update has something to do with geo location of the server at all. Because looking at all the sites that have moved above me now that were previously directly below or way below their servers are all located in the US.This is for english language search yet when I use google in the language local to me I am back up there even though my site is entirely in english not that language. The other possibility is that the update has only rolled out to english language servers so far and not all other languages so I could yet take a further hit.
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Can confirm , the gain that was there in this September update is all gone today , semrush sensor also backs this up .Moreover It’s approximately 7 days later today which hints it might be some kind of post update tweaks .

(Entertainment Niche)
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It does appear as if some kind of geo-targeting roulette wheel is controlling my traffic. My pattern is no traffic for 30 min, then a surge all clustered on the east coast, then 30 min of no traffic, then a cluster around Chicago, then 30 min of no traffic then a cluster around Atlanta, rinse and repeat. In the distant past you could set your watch by the traffic volume and conversions.
2:56 pm on Oct 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@sk7411 Is it confirmed that the update has been all rolled out?
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@seomotionz While the answer to this question would be mostly an ‘yes’ if you ask this to any google employee , I believe we have a lot of yet to see post tweaks and turbulences ahead which is what usually happens after every update . This is the reason i stay mostly underwhelmed about these core updates , you never know what can these post update tremors do to your traffic .
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A landing page that gets around 60-80% of my traffic & revenue from being ranked 1 for a range of keywords has completely dropped in the SERPs. It's been replaced by my homepage instead, with the position floating around 20-35.

SEMrush shows my visibility down by 30%?!
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Medium wrote an article about Google's evil play: [medium.com...]
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Very interesting article (read the comments below it too). I like the idea of profit share for search.
4:12 pm on Oct 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Barry Schwartz of Search Engine Roundtable is saying another update is brewing.
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Noticed some drops this week but its nothing major considering the holidays. Didn't experienced any abnormal drops today. I'd say the traffic I gained in the September core update still hold, although I'm yet to fully recover to where I was before I was hit by the June core update.
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@seomotionz It's actually because people on Webmaster World are saying there are fluctuations on SERP that Barry written there is a possible update. So if you said on Webmaster World there is an update because Barry wrote it, it's an infinite circle.

[edited by: Solipsism at 9:29 am (utc) on Oct 4, 2019]

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So if you said on Webmaster World there is an update because Barry wrote it, it's an infinite circle.


I laughed a little too hard at that.
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@Solipsism I knew that. But Barry has many sources so I wrote it here.
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Noticed some drops this week but its nothing major considering the holidays.

Which holidays in particular? I do notice that my traffic is flatter than usual during Indian waking hours.
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