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Has Google Started Rolling Out Panda 2.2 ?

     

Gorgwatcher

5:50 am on Jun 15, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone noticed abnormal activity of Google Crawler?

It has started deep crawling again just like it did before Panda 1.0

I had a sharp spike in my crawling since last 2 days.

Traffic has also started to decrease with abnormal behavior. Means there is a sudden decline and spike situation.

This is exactly what happened before Panda. Deep crazy crawling and sharp decline in traffic.

Anyone else noticed this behavior?

Whitey

4:59 am on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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yes, other sites are DOWN this week, about 15%

All sites i run are Australian based.

Pre Panda 2.2 test to the power of 2 in AU . Gee it's lonely and coincidental.

elsewhen

5:23 am on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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google seems to have started rolling out a significant change at 9pm pacific time.

on our primary site (that was pandalized on feb 24), i can see significant ranking changes on google.com and google.co.uk. in our case, the changes are positive.

Whitey

6:50 am on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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in our case, the changes are positive.

I know it's early stages but can you elaborate on what you did and what % movements in traffic you are seeing in your case.

ignatius

7:22 am on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)



same here, too early to estimate traffic drop but i lost positions on - apparently - all my keywords today i google.com and co.uk.

My site was pandalized in february as well, never really recovered, and it got worse today.

Anyone else noticed the same thing?

Whitey

8:19 am on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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never really recovered, and it got worse today.

What sort of traffic drop %

Dantes100

8:36 am on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Can someone please tell me their opinion about whether it is a good sign that my site recovered only for google.de and NOT google.com? (site is ompletely in English but the server is in Germany)

The ranking were nearly the same on both platforms in the past...

elearner

8:42 am on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)



My google crawling decreased significantly, recent WMT crawling graph showing just 20% pages crawl of the normal ratio, whats going on? Has anyone else experienced this?

maximillianos

12:25 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Whoa did anyone else notice Daniweb's traffic on Quantcast?

Looks like they lost another 50%. Hope it is a glitch for their sake.

BratMutts

12:58 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)



Dantes100: I see dramatic improvement in Germany also. (US site based in the US) It almost looks like Panda has not been applied to that index. I also see several other hit sites with great recoveries. I would like to believe that it foreshadows the US index but I highly doubt it.

mslina2002

1:01 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I see that too. It does not look good. Since their stats are directly measured I'd say it's pretty close to accurate.

Looked at my own site on quantcast and since mine is just an estimate and not directly measured, I see the stats are totally wrong.

chrisv1963

1:05 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Whoa did anyone else notice Daniweb's traffic on Quantcast?

Looks like they lost another 50%. Hope it is a glitch for their sake.


There's a Quantcast glitch for Saturday's stats. I see the same for my website and other sites i follow.

maximillianos

1:08 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Good to hear it was a glitch. We don't need more bad news around here.

Dantes100

1:24 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Dantes100: I see dramatic improvement in Germany also. (US site based in the US) It almost looks like Panda has not been applied to that index. I also see several other hit sites with great recoveries. I would like to believe that it foreshadows the US index but I highly doubt it.


Our google.de rankings were pandalized since April, why do they suddenly recover over night? There must be a reason for this...

It doesn't make sense to apply a different quality standard for different platforms. Your site either meets the criteria or it doesn't.

BratMutts

1:52 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)



Dantes100: I am also seeing either recovered or pre-panda rankings on google.es and a number of other countries (although not all, google.ca still matches US index)

Are you seeing this also.

AlexB77

2:12 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Unless someone could report otherwise of course, this all started to look like G was simply testing and rescheduling in Euro space for almost any Euro domain.

I personally have noticed just a little improvement in 2-5% from few domains, but .com has not improved in anyway, in fact I have not seen a decline either. Do not know, should I call it an improvement after all.

Just to confirm it is a US site located in US

Can someone say something about US increases.

BratMutts

2:31 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)



Recovered/Pre-Panda seems to be on non-english speaking countries. fr,es,it,de All of the english speaking countries (ca,ie,uk) have the same or similar results to the US index.

I can't imagine that the english index on non-english engines is a starting point for rolling out changes. So I'm not taking this as anything to get excited about.

miozio

4:53 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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I always had pre-Panda positions on non-English G platforms, i thought Panda never touched those.

miozio

5:03 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Ha ha, i just compared the results for one popular keyword using .com and .de The sites in top 10 on .com with a Panda fix look so lame, first two spots are given to Indian sites. The results on .de on the other hand are clean and useful.

Guys, if you need a good "English" search engine, try other G platforms such as .de .fr etc. LOL

olmcdonald

5:03 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)



Are you sure that they are recovered BratMutts?

Were those keywords always there?

danijelzi

5:08 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)



Pandalized in February, but only on English-language Google. On .de, .es, etc never lost rankings and I think Panda was never applied to these.

freejung

5:11 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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All of the english speaking countries (ca,ie,uk) have the same or similar results to the US index

That's not what I'm seeing. My rankings on ca,ie,uk are significantly better than on .com, but not nearly as good as the ones on .de (for some reason, my rankings on .de are massively better than even pre-Panda rankings).

I am also seeing either recovered or pre-panda rankings on google.es

I can corroborate this, google.es appears to have very close to exactly the same results as pre-Panda - and that's not what's on the .de group or the .uk group, those are showing results that are distinctly different from each other, from pre-Panda, and from what's on .com now.

Curious... it looks like they're testing different degrees of "pandalization" varying from no pandalization on .es to full pandalization on .com. Too bad it's not the other way around!

c41lum

5:17 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Panda never hit .de or .fr with panda did they?

SevenCubed

5:35 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Interesting. Based on what's been said here about other countries SERPs being different I went and had a look. My domain, for its 3 keyword term, shows up in the same position for results across all of them, .ca .com .fr .de .es

freejung

5:36 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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This is on topic, really, just bear with me for a sec...

The only reason Google would run it at 4 months is to punish us.

I don't think they think like that. I think they think in terms of information theory.

Google is trying to perform measurements/experiments on a system with a lot of feedback. Every signal they send out into the system causes webmasters to react, so a lot of what Google ends up seeing is sort of a reflection of their own signal.

They regard this as a very frustrating problem. They've stated many times that they wish we would all just ignore them. Google wants to be the silent eavesdropper and listen in on the conversation in the room, but that's very difficult because the echo of their own voice is so loud.

We say "but Google, we're just trying to give you what you want" and their reply is always "don't try to give us what we want, try to give your users what they want." Google wants us to ignore their signal and concentrate on the signal coming from our users.

They've also stated that they are aware that if we were to figure out exactly how Panda works we could game it.

One logical countermeasure on their part would be to deliberately introduce noise into the signal they send out into the system (via the SERPS) in order to mask the signal. Think of it as being similar to noise-cancellation technology. They could try to cancel out the effect of their own signal, fuzzing out the echoes of their own voice so that the underlying signal they are trying to measure stands out more clearly.

One way to do that would be to build a time-delay into their response to any changes we make. Another would be to introduce a certain amount of randomness around any rollout of updates, so that the signal sent by the update is harder for us to read.

So is this another Panda rollout? My suggestion is that it may not actually be possible to tell, from our perspective, because of noise in the system introduced deliberately by Google.

They're tired of us gaming them. They're gaming us for a change.

Given that Google is way better at information theory than we are, and that they have access to many orders of magnitude more data, this is probably a losing game from our perspective. For most of us the logical counter-move is probably capitulation.

"Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run; There's still time to change the road you're on (I hope so)." --Stairway

SevenCubed

5:48 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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this is probably a losing game from our perspective


:)

No, it just makes the hunt more exciting and challenging, I was getting bored with them because they became so predictable! Now I again have reason to get out of bed in the morning. Tag, we're it. It's no secret that I am not a fan of Google but I have to say that they get my monkey going when I try to reverse engineer their changes. I just wish they would hurry up and settle down after these last few months of activity so I can get to work doing that.

freejung

5:53 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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I just wish they would hurry up and settle down after these last few months of activity so I can get to work doing that.

Yes, and that's probably one big reason why they're not settling down.

SevenCubed

6:06 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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Agreed freejung, but I don't need them to completely stop their tweaking, for the most part I'm capable of recognizing individual tweaks that are apart from the overall big picture but lately it has been a non-stop slaughter. I'm sure they can't keep up at this pace for much longer. But for now there's a beautiful summer to enjoy. Mind-stuff is better left for cold winter days.

dickbaker

6:14 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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It's bad enough being Pandalized, but it's worse not knowing how to get rankings back, or even knowing if rankings can be gotten back.

Worse yet is wanting to get a divorce, but not being able to afford it, since Panda cut my income enough that I require my wife's income as well to pay the bills. :(

supercyberbob

6:15 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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In my thoughts I have seen, rings of smoke through the trees.

And it makes me wonder.

freejung

6:20 pm on Jun 20, 2011 (gmt 0)

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"And if you listen very hard; The tune will come to you at last..."
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