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Google's New Caffeine Search Engine - part 2

     

Hissingsid

8:56 am on Sep 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

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< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

For my top target term there are still some differences between the Caffein sandbox and .com results. It does not affect me and looking at them dispassionately the Caffein results (subjectively) serve the user better. More of my significant real world competitors appear and less of the buy their way to the top jokers.

Cheers

Sid

[edited by: tedster at 5:52 am (utc) on Sep. 7, 2009]

cangoou

11:49 pm on Nov 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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For me 216.239.59.103 is very similar to the sandbox in the early stages.

Badcol

5:58 am on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)



I find these results do not shift me to local settings if I search using this format - [216.239.59.103...]

UK_Web_Guy

2:29 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Not seeingf any difference on that datacentre, but am seeing what looks like caffeine did last time I looked at it, which was about 1 month ago, on 66.102.7.18

anyone seeing anything caffeine like on 66.102.7.18 ?

Hissingsid

2:52 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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When I search on google.com in the UK the IP is 66.102.7.18

Cheers

Sid

UK_Web_Guy

2:59 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Are you seeing anything different Sid?

Hissingsid

3:15 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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It has changed again now. When I go to 216.239.59.103 for example via my browser URL box I go to a page with a Google English logo on it. When I then search it redirects me to 66.102.9.105 for the SERP.

Cheers

Sid

UK_Web_Guy

4:14 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Someone else has just posted on DP forum that they see Caffeine is on 66.102.7.18

You heard it here first, come on Matt, pop in for a comment, it'll be like the google dance days with GoogleGuy!

whitenight

6:01 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Caffeine is on 66.102.7.18

Yep, it's on all the 66.102.7.XX

It IS flickering on and off so those who don't see it may be need to check at different times.

Pilsen

6:12 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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i don't think this is caffeine..
anyone else does?

Lorel

6:35 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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As I recall, watching a Matt Cutts video of Pub Con the other day he did say the data center showing Caffeine results would be switching on and off. It had something to do with us webmasters overloading that server. Ha!

suzukik

6:38 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts tweeted this is NOT Caffeine:
[twitter.com...]

subway

6:42 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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yep... definitely something happening on 66.102.7.18, but not Caffeine as I remember it from last week (or whenever they took it down).

UK_Web_Guy

6:45 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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suzukik

if you look at [twitter.com...] you can see matt is responding to the asertion caffeine was on 216.239.59.103

66.102.7.18 is the caffeine i've seen

barretire

6:46 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts tweeted this is NOT Caffeine:
[twitter.com...]

That answer was reffering to 216.239.59.103

whitenight

6:47 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts tweeted this is NOT Caffeine:
[twitter.com...]

lol you'd be amazed at how un-knowledgeable he is about the actual rollouts. (documented several times on this forum...and it's not his department)

He was vague, "don't believe".

If it TRULY isn't the sandbox datasets,
which is what it looks like,
AND it certainly isn't the current datasets.
THEN
it's the "holiday datasets"...

Which would roll out rather quickly considering they would need to push those almost immediately.

Let the FUD commence. ;)

Pilsen

6:51 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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no.. i guess it refers to 66.102.7.18

[seroundtable.com...]
"Update #1: Some are saying this data center has moved to 66.102.7.18."

UK_Web_Guy

6:53 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I think some of the confusion between us on here is that this is moving in and out of this DC 66.102.7.18

It has been reported it will show off and on, IMO i have definitiely been looking at caffeine on 66.102.7.18 , but it ain't that different to normal old google anyway!

UK_Web_Guy

6:56 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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PS, I'd expect this to flip in & out as google try to prevent excessive load on these IP's after all if they wanted us hammering it, they would have left the ww2 site live

tedster

7:26 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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That's exactly it. At Pubcon Matt explained that the server team thought he was mad to even suggest using one stable IP for Caffeine before it rolls out fully. Their entire load-balancing structure is not set up that way, and they didn't want to "punch a hole" in the load-balancing IP assignments.

So he will continue to campaign for some accommodation for websmasters, but it's most likely going to a "best bet" rather than a sure thing.

suzukik

7:37 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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@UK_Web_Guy, @Pilsen
Sorry about that. Thank you for correcting me.

machine11

9:38 pm on Nov 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I'm 100% sure I saw the google caffeine results live last night for a couple of hours -- i was searching through a proxy server. The reason I noticed is that my entire site was back in the serps stronger than before. Looks like things are in motion. The quicker the better on my end.

barretire

4:36 pm on Nov 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,

Just wanted to say that I have been watching this and testing caffeine since the anouncement months back. At this point I can say with some confidense that what I saw prior to a few weeks back was indeed caffeine results in the normal search. It appears since shortly after the beggining of November Google pulled Caffeine back and is testing it randomly on a few data centers. So I agree with the conclusion that Caffeine was implemented and being served for well over a month previously as stated by others on this board at the time.

Just wanted to give my 2 cents. Currently I am seeing caffeine randomly after reloading a few times on [209.85.225.103...]

bumpaw

5:25 pm on Nov 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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For someone who is late to the Caffein watch is there some stand out feature that would let you know which results are Caffein?

barretire

5:45 pm on Nov 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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What I have noticed is a subsatntial difference in the number of pages returned, Faster results and to me much more rellevant.

tedster

7:21 pm on Nov 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Trying to come to a deeper understanding of Caffeine, I recently reviewed this thread and its external links: The Google Search Query - a technical look [webmasterworld.com]. What struck me about it was this quote: "Today it's estimated that [a single Google query] travels across 700-1000 machines, a figure that has nearly doubled since 2006 perhaps due in part to the introduction of Google Universal."

Then the Google PDF document goes further:

the strategy is to partition the processing of all documents by

randomly distributing documents into smaller shards
having multiple server replicas responsible for handling each shard, and
routing requests through a load balancer.

It seems to me that Caffeine is an intervention into the complexity of that process - and hopefully one that simplifies all those potential spots for data errors. I'm looking forward to the full roll-out.

Badcol

5:40 pm on Nov 24, 2009 (gmt 0)



A quick question regarding testing caffeine results for UK based queries. We only supply UK based clients and our site has always rated well on Google.co.uk. When testing Caffeine results I only ever found US results and without adding 'UK' before our valued search terms, which does not give an exact report compared to local results, I was wondering if anyone knows of a filter that would allow us to test the results for caffeine.co.uk results.

Many thanks

BC

Hissingsid

8:45 pm on Nov 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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allow us to test the results for caffeine.co.uk results

Unless anyone knows better I think the best you can hope for is to compare Caffeine (if you can find the real thing) to google.com results and hope that the UK filter, when it is applied to Caffein has a similar effect to what is currently happening. In other words you want google.com and Caffeine results to be the same and then hope that some cleaver fellow in Googleplex doesn't decide to monkey with the UK filter between now and when Caffeine rolls out in the new year.

Cheers

Sid

Receptional Andy

8:48 pm on Nov 24, 2009 (gmt 0)



To test UK results on a domain other than google.co.uk you can add the parameter below to the result URL:

gl=uk

barretire

12:36 am on Nov 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I don't know if anyone has seen this yet but Matt Cutts has confirmed that 209.85.225.103 is pointing to the Caffeine data center atleast 50% of the time.
Talk about this is found over at SEO Round table [seroundtable.com].

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 1:16 am (utc) on Nov. 29, 2009]
[edit reason] added link to SER [/edit]

Robert Charlton

1:31 am on Nov 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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From Matt Cutts' comments....

...I think it's really risky to take a few threads and turn that into a "major Google update."

.... So 209.85.225.103 does hit the Caffeine data center more often than other IP addresses, but it's always been the plan that Caffeine would roll out at one data center (no more data centers will get Caffeine until at least January)....

But I would avoid generalizing.... on a lot of the webmaster forums you can't tell what site they're talking about, so it's hard to do any debugging on what might have happened to individual sites there.

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