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Google's New Caffeine Engine - the dev version is now public

     

tedster

12:48 am on Aug 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Secretly, they’ve been working on a new project: the next generation of Google Search. This isn't just some minor upgrade, but an entire new infrastructure for the world’s largest search engine...Google's now confident enough in the new version of its search engine that it has released the development version for public consumption. While you won't see too many differences immediately, let us assure you: it's a completely upgraded Google search.

Article at Mashable [mashable.com]

The url for the development version is [www2.sandbox.google.com...]

StoutFiles

1:22 am on Aug 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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It's been down for a day now, I really want to try it out...

Hissingsid

7:41 am on Aug 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Back up but no noticeable changes in the terms I watch since a couple of days ago.

Sites previously penalised for or perhaps just not credited with paid links and blog post advertising seem to be doing very well. I can't think why this would be other than that layer of data may not be applied yet. Since collecting this data was very expensive, and assuming they have not added it in yet, I can't see why they will not add it back.

Other than this I have to agree with those that say the current google.com results are a close match to what is now on Caffeine. Certainly closer to that than the results we were seeing a couple of months ago.

Cheers

Sid

kevsta

7:18 pm on Aug 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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anyone noticed the change to the benchmark "click here" yet?

looks like the end of anchor text altogether to me, lots of sites that used to rank mainly on article spam not there at all.

KrisE

12:02 am on Aug 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Has the caffeine address changed because this is the error I keep getting.

Not Found

The requested URL /m was not found on this server.

Thanks,
Kris

tedster

12:59 am on Aug 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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It was down for a while on Thu-Fri but it's been back for me for a while:

[www2.sandbox.google.com...]

KrisE

1:48 am on Aug 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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How odd, I was using the same address earlier and was getting that error but now it's fine. Thanks for confirming!

Kris

cangoou

8:12 am on Aug 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Google might be integrating the results from caffein into the SERPs: A lot of my rankings in the normal index where adjusted towards the caffein-results. They don't match exactly, but a step in that direction.

cabowabo

3:58 pm on Aug 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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One of the "pulses" I always check is how the SERPs treat "buy viagra" and Caffeine has the top four resuls as Member Profile Spam. Overall, I like the changes, but Spam is more effective with the searches I have done thus far this week.

whitenight

5:17 pm on Aug 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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One of the "pulses" I always check is how the SERPs treat "buy viagra" and Caffeine has the top four resuls as Member Profile Spam. Overall, I like the changes, but Spam is more effective with the searches I have done thus far this week.

This is a sign the algo is working CORRECTLY.
Those pages are NOT spam to the algo, maybe to the webmasters of those forums, but not the algo or its users.

Those pages are very well targeted and optimized for that term and should rank where they do.

Google might be integrating the results from caffein into the SERPs: A lot of my rankings in the normal index where adjusted towards the caffein-results. They don't match exactly, but a step in that direction.

;) don't be afraid to exclude the word "might"

They ARE rolling them in. It's good that you noticed!

brinked

3:20 pm on Aug 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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i cant wait till caffeine goes live

Hissingsid

4:51 pm on Aug 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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This is a sign the algo is working CORRECTLY.
Those pages are NOT spam to the algo, maybe to the webmasters of those forums, but not the algo or its users.

Those pages are very well targeted and optimized for that term and should rank where they do.

I'm trying to find signs of irony in what you say here but can't see any. Maybe there's some hidden. If users searching for the terms I follow found member profile spam like that at the top of Google SERPS they would have moved away from Google long ago.

Cheers

Sid

Kelowna

4:51 pm on Aug 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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So are the results at [www2.sandbox.google.com...] the final result we will see in the end?

The reason I ask is that my site was doing well on the first page of the results but has been slipping over the last 2 weeks about 12 spots down. The results on [www2.sandbox.google.com...] show the site right back where it was but this rolling update has my site dropping right now on the live results.

Is this something that should be a concern or so you think the [www2.sandbox.google.com...] results will be the final results shown on google.com in the end?

trakkerguy

5:42 pm on Aug 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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As far as I can see, the results on caffeine have not changed in the last 2 weeks.

It still shows old titles for some of my pages, while google.com gets the new titles up within a day.

It appears they took a snapshot of the web, and haven't updated any since then.

So if your site has been dropping at google.com (Kelowna), it will probably take the same drop in caffeine when they get around to plugging in new data and any algo tweaks that google.com regularly gets.

whitenight

7:33 pm on Aug 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I'm trying to find signs of irony in what you say here but can't see any. Maybe there's some hidden. If users searching for the terms I follow found member profile spam like that at the top of Google SERPS they would have moved away from Google long ago.

lol, and therein lies the rub.

Goog's algo is NOT properly programmed for terms like "buy viagra" "PXrn" and "poker".

But it's also the reason why you do NOT find "profile spam" for YOUR terms.

You have to take all the "morality based" judgments out of the equation, and study why those pages RANK. Period.

Not if one, personally, finds those pages "spammy" or not.

And if one has studied that term as one (hopefully out of 100s) "benchmark" search, then one would know profile "spam" has ranked for that term for AGES.

And THEN if one fully understands the mechanics behind this, one can use that knowledge to rank for one's own terms easily.

In conclusion, Caffeine's "spam" controls are working just fine. :)

[edited by: whitenight at 7:38 pm (utc) on Aug. 17, 2009]

Donna

7:34 pm on Aug 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I don't have as much experience as most of you guys here but from my own observation for the last 2 months Google in my eyes has been favoring a lot on-page optimization and in url keywords then before. It almost feels like IBL have little weight at some point.

johnhh

11:15 pm on Aug 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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My 2 pennies worth. Which is probably what its worth.

1.Caffeine and the "live" results look very very close on google.co.uk.

2.There is a very high emphasis on key words in domain names and internal page URL's.

However , strong IBL will keep you at some sort of useful SERPS position, but I think you are going to really have to battle for the number one position now,

However is fairly clear of spam !

Donna

12:15 am on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Anyone have idea yet if penalties and filters are currently deployed in caffeine? It's funny how my website is not in the current live version but included in caffeine with pretty decent rankings. Probably some filters have been softened... yay !

[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 2:25 am (utc) on Aug. 21, 2009]
[edit reason] fixed typos [/edit]

Kelowna

4:12 pm on Aug 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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As far as I can see, the results on caffeine have not changed in the last 2 weeks.

trakkerguy:

I see the results on [www2.sandbox.google.com...] changing constantly so I do not see how it could be a snapshot of the web from the past.

Does anyone else have any idea's? I am starting to wonder if 301 redirects are not being counted (yet) as I have an old domain pointed to this new one and the sandbox version ranks well but the live has dropped 10 spots.

eiilers

11:27 am on Aug 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Anyone have any idea when Caffeine is going to be launched? I'm assuming not (since Google doesn't give any warning before they launch something... they just launch it). But if anyone has any idea when this is coming to the public (1 months. 6 months? etc).

whitenight

12:47 pm on Aug 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Anyone have any idea when Caffeine is going to be launched?

History says around a major US holiday or event.

So...as early as Labor Day?
As late as Thanksgiving?

Am seeing sooner, rather than later..
as I see Caffieated datasets rolling into results and then rolling back out again on random DCs....
like a ocean tide. :)

eiilers

12:56 pm on Aug 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thanks whitenight. That at least is good to know that it will most likely be this year.

I am seeing the same thing you are in regards to the caffeinated results being rolled out, but then going away. Maybe they are prepping to roll it out and it will be even sooner?

Hissingsid

1:39 pm on Aug 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I'm just getting decaff here!

Cheers

Sid

eiilers

2:15 pm on Aug 24, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Haha - what's next? Google Adderall?

whitenight

7:16 am on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing fully operational and activated caffeinated results rolling out as we speak/write.

Where's the "official" DC ?

[edited by: tedster at 7:25 am (utc) on Sep. 1, 2009]

Hissingsid

8:52 am on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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What exactly do we think a New Infrastructure is?

FWIW and IMHO it is not about the results produced but how they are produced, it is not about the algorithm but how and when the algorithm is applied to the index. Therefore I don't see how the Caffeine results could be rolling out unless the new infrastructure has been switched on. What we are more likely seeing is a rolling update of the existing infrastructure. Just my 2c.

Sid

whitenight

8:59 am on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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the infrastructure is ALREADY in place.

Both martinibuster and I spotted it in the original thread.
That's what the summer long update was about... putting the Infrastructure in.

The datasets (what we used to call ALGO update) AND infrastructure is on the dev.goog

That's what we are waiting (not too much longer it seems) to rollout in full.

That's why you are seeing different SERPs on dev.goog and goog.com. That's the algo update part.

Yes, Goog may be placing it's emphasis on the infrastructure of Caffeine, but as I said, if one wasn't paying attention to the right hand, you missed the secrets how the bunny appeared from nowhere in the left hand.

whitenight

5:01 pm on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Anyone who cares...

Go to your favorite Datacenter checker tool and see how many DCs give you errors and are unavailable.

hmmm, wonder what could be going on behind the scenes? ;)

Any official word from Google yet?

cangoou

6:16 pm on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Strange thing: I get highliy different results on Caffein looking with FF and at the same time with IE - using exactly the same request-url. Any ideas about that? Is that a language setting or a temporary flux or why should Google deliver such different SERPs for different browsers?!

Added: Huh, after deleting all google-cookies, I get the same results again. I swear I wasn't loged-in in Google or something...

cangoou

8:10 pm on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Any ideas what the fp= in the Caffein-Query does?

Hissingsid

8:20 pm on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I'm not seeing fp= here.

Cheers

Sid

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