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December 2007 Google SERP Changes

     

mr16

2:35 pm on Dec 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Any thoughts on this? Up until recently, my site did not rank in the top 1000 in Google for my main search term. I did a bit of research, made a lot of changes, bought some software to help even. Since then it had a dramatic increase in placement. In the space of around two months it moved up to place 19.

I have not made any changes in last 4 weeks, but it has still been climbing......until yesterday. It has now dropped out of the top 1000 again. The site still ranks for other words and has not been dumped all together.

I am feeling a bit confused. Could any one offer advice please?

[edited by: tedster at 6:18 pm (utc) on Dec. 3, 2007]

aok88

12:43 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone who suffered a big drop in SERPs this month have a site that targeted two separate (and maybe even unrelated) keyword phrases and only have 1 set negatively affected?

Vimes

3:31 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Could it be they finally made a change to their supplemental index, I see all of my supplemental URLs are searchable now.

i'm seeing Google pages totals of my site over estimated by 50%.
i hope this is the reason for the huge increase of pages to my site and these totals will fall back to the correct figure once they recrawl them.

i've tried to locate the extra pages but I'm not seeing any canonicalization of my URLs in the index, anyone else seeing Google do this to their site: page totals.

Vimes.

[edited by: Vimes at 3:37 am (utc) on Dec. 11, 2007]

Atomic

5:32 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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This happened to me but now I am apparently 110% indexed if you believe the number shown. Drilling down I find about 90% of the pages. But there have been crazy fluctuations for the past two weeks.

Atomic

5:33 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Oh, I see new cache dates, too. Traffic's going nuts too. But I mean that in a good way.

GF_Diablos

8:01 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Cheching again, it varies during the day.

When results are strange, the number of results are 10 % of the normal results; for example for "widget1 widget2" phrase normally 50.000.000 results and during the strange phase only 5.000.000 results, usually less.....

Something is happening...

Hey angiolo,

I am seeing this too from a few different datacentres, one of the main keywords I follow has lost 30million results. Anyone know what's happening on this front?

[edited by: GF_Diablos at 8:03 am (utc) on Dec. 11, 2007]

angiolo

8:39 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Now results are increasing slightly, daily, and ranking is as it was.... But the number of results is still a lot less..

Another strange thing I noted, for another site that is ranking fine and has a PR of 6, that in the Google Directory it shows no page Rank at all; previously it was in the top of the directory listing showing the PR of 6....

What correlation there is between the Page Rank showed in the Google directory and the Page Rank showed in the Google tool bar?

kamikaze Optimizer

8:54 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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What correlation there is between the Page Rank showed in the Google directory and the Page Rank showed in the Google tool bar?

In the past, directory PR updated prior to TB page rank, but both often show errors. I would check it later with a different browser or from a different IP/computer.

kamikaze Optimizer

9:04 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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...one of the main keywords I follow has lost 30million results. Anyone know what's happening on this front?

There have been rumors, and even some strong indications that Google is on a data cleaning mission right now; clearing out old unneeded bytes.

However, wildly different numbers of results returned (normally grossly higher) have been the norm for a few years now.

Some people have speculated that it was a numbers race between the 3 major search engines to gain bragging rights for the total number of pages indexed.

[edited by: kamikaze_Optimizer at 9:06 am (utc) on Dec. 11, 2007]

angiolo

11:51 am on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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> In the past, directory PR updated prior to TB page rank, but
> both often show errors. I would check it later with a
> different browser or from a different IP/computer.

I hope they show errors.....
I checked from different IP, computers and different browsers, but in the Google Directory Page Rank disappeared....

zaneta

7:35 pm on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I have noticed that search results google gives are less.

For a certain search term that for teh last years results showning were 1.850.000 now are 300.000 I have checked this also with other search terms and is the same
what is happening?

aok88

10:20 pm on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Anyone?:

Has anyone who suffered a big drop in SERPs this month have a site that targeted two separate (and maybe even unrelated) keyword phrases and only have 1 set negatively affected?

nippon

10:57 pm on Dec 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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> In the past, directory PR updated prior to TB page rank, but
> both often show errors. I would check it later with a
> different browser or from a different IP/computer.

I hope they show errors.....
I checked from different IP, computers and different browsers, but in the Google Directory Page Rank disappeared....

i sure as hell hope so cos i just lost all pr from 2 sites, but perhaps this is due to link selling?

g1smd

1:21 am on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm.

site:www.domain.com - 950 000 - probably about right.

site:domain.com - so should include both www and non-www in the count - only 110 000.

Huh?

rocco

1:54 am on Dec 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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g1smd

the same here site:domain.com shows far less than site:www.domain.com

Timetraveler

4:01 am on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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<moved from another location >

Im noticing some SERP changes for various keywords. It seems like sites that have changing news on their homepage are getting lower listings.

Anyone else notice a major google algorithim change this afternoon?

For some reason the online tool I use is not reflecting these changes though?

[edited by: tedster at 4:29 am (utc) on Dec. 15, 2007]

kamikaze Optimizer

5:45 am on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Changing news, hmmm. I am not noticing it and even more so finding it hard to understand how this could hurt a site.

Are you sure it is not something else?

Timetraveler

5:56 am on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think it could be a coincidence that the sites I've noticed have daily news.

Either way Im showing major shifts in the SERPS and it all happened this afternoon (cache Dec. 14). It's really weird because the datacenters that Im checking show normal search results but when I actually type the keywords into Google I get the lowered results.

My industry tinkers in quite a bit of blog link purchases but not all sites are being affected so I don't think it could be any link discounting on that part. Ahhhhhhhhh.

kamikaze Optimizer

6:16 am on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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FYI: The DC's have not been show true SERP's for some time now.

I see movement this month, much more than last month; but refreshed news on the index is most certainly a positive factor, IMHO.

mattg3

11:47 am on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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As an independent test (no money keyword) when I am googling my name everything has changed. Age old pages from 1996, Scientific journals (my first paper) and some Judo page come up.. and a facebook entry I used once to see what all the fuss is about. Then some student DOC document that mentions me.
A 2006 paper comes before a 1996 paper.

#1 used to be my company website.. then the pages I work on .. then some old pages about me ...

First results seem to be very high ranked and then they cut out all the middle ranked and what comes next is low ranked old pap. Given a German Umlaut, one can write my name 3 different ways. The abysmal result is equally bad on all three variations.

It is of course difficult to assess what is relevant about a person. But a mini facebook entry (no text), with just my name on and old pages before new seems wrong to me.

On the other hand it's a nice test on Google relevancy: All the about us pages are nearly the same on my servers and I can see the PR 6 sites are ranked lowest in that search.

It's a feeling I had for a while that middle ranked PR sites are deliberatly punished. Maybe because one would find the most link spam there. My best site is now the PR3 site in Google's internal ranking it seems.

reseller

4:00 pm on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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kamikaze Optimizer

"FYI: The DC's have not been show true SERP's for some time now."

What did you mean?

Timetraveler

9:56 pm on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think he means by using certain tools to check your SERP rankings on different DC's?

The two datacenters Im showing whacked out results are on 66.102.9.107 and 66.102.11.107

mikki

10:04 pm on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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You wrote "The two datacenters Im showing whacked out results are on 66.102.9.107 and 66.102.11.107"

I also see new results there - and around one hour ago it was live on google.de for a few minutes.

Timetraveler

10:17 pm on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Mikki - Are you rankings better or worse or is there anything abnormal?

mikki

10:29 pm on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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The ranking are other than before. The main keys are ranking well, some other not so well but growing today... first some have been on the 2nd page of the results... and later today they where on the first page.

I think that they are still calculating... my site wasn't on G**gle AT and CH since 7. December... since 9 p.m. my site is back there in good ranking, too.

We should wait... maybe we must wait a few days :) Maybe we all get a nice christmas present :)

Mikki

Timetraveler

11:28 pm on Dec 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"Maybe we all get a nice christmas present :)"

If this is Google's Christmas present then they gave me coal in my stocking....then beat me over the head with it. :P

kamikaze Optimizer

4:53 am on Dec 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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kamikaze Optimizer
"FYI: The DC's have not been show true SERP's for some time now."

What did you mean?

First, I should have written "showing".

The results that you see when using a data center test site are not the same results that you see in a normal Google search.

[edited by: kamikaze_Optimizer at 4:54 am (utc) on Dec. 16, 2007]

g1smd

5:13 pm on Dec 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How do access them?

Do you use the direct IP address, the GFE name, or the xx-in-f107 style name?

There is much complexity as to how things work. [robtex.com...] gives some indications for one C Class block.

MLHmptn

5:34 pm on Dec 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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About the only thing I am noticing is an update due to backlinks. Google does this about every 2 weeks now it seems on the fly. I do not see any type of an algo change.

[edited by: MLHmptn at 5:35 pm (utc) on Dec. 16, 2007]

mikki

6:27 pm on Dec 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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@ MLHmptn

For some domains there seems something going on with the index. Since 07.12. my domain wasn't listed in AT and CH. Yesterday it was back normal there, and today its again lost.

I am running a Authority Site what is related to DE, AT and CH :)

Also i see changes in the number of search results by "the web"... "the language" and "the local" results. For some words what i looking for... it seems that they are re-building some parts of their keyword database :)

Mikki

surfing1

8:24 pm on Dec 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

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We have been ranking on the front page for a very competitive keyword for over 5 years and just went from number 4 to 48.
The rankings on our less competitive KW for the same site dropped as well. I am wondering if we have been penalized (this is a whitehat site).

The rankings for our other sites were not affected. I am running some tests to try and figure out what is going on.

D

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