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One thing to watch for: HOURLY fluctuations.
After years long slow advances, my main page reached #13 in Google for the main single KW.
Suddenly it dropped to #16, then 4 hours later it was right back at #13.
Same thing with a 2-word key-phrase. From #2 or #3 I fell back to #6.
4 hours later, like the above, it was right back.
Some of this is data center switching I'm sure.
Then again maybe they use old data while they polish up the new.
All in all, Big Daddy has not hurt my site yet (knock on wood). -Larry
[edited by: tedster at 6:48 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2006]
New site April last year, no major changes.
However, no effect on traffic, apart from natural increase due to time, added pages, etc.
End of Jagger to BD, my site went from page 1 SERPS for all kw's to pages 2 - 9. Essentially crushed my traffic.
In addition, site:www.domain.com command had my index page nowhere to be found.
For the life of me I could not figure out why.
And then today, low and behold, I'm back to page 1 SERPS top 3 spots for ALL of my keywords and my site:www.domain.com results have my index page as the first result.
Here's what I did in the meantime:
1. Cleared up my source code. Our programmers were big fans of putting reminder messages in the code, which made it pretty sloppy and probably confused the bots.
2. I reorganized the linking between my main site and 3 other sites (virtually same C class ip). Instead of linking through anchor text hoping for recognition in SERPS, changed all the links to my main site to just the site's url.
3. I added exactly ZERO links until yesterday, but the last stated crawl was Monday evening.
If someone could make sense of this, that would be great.
Thats great news for you and great hope for others.
Do you know what DC you are doing the site: search on?
I switched to yahoo sitesearch, and it is dead on, perfect results for every search. Maybe yahoo web search isn't the greatest, but I am now a big fan of it's sitesearch.
Quite simply every DC I checked (BD and others) show the same results with a slight difference of maybe 1 spot in SERPS.
Maybe this is something outside of BD, perhaps a new type of update?
I do not know if it is big daddy, but something has changed. I think something is on the horizon. I would be more apt to say it is a data refresh.
Then last week we had the supplemental problem that this thread is about and everything but our home page disappeared. We switched platforms last June and also changed most of our URLs in October, so given that others with this problem have also implemented major site changes in the last year, it may be an indication that, for whatever reason, BD suddenly got extra stale and the index is actually missing pages from the last year or some significant amount of time, even though those pages have been crawled and were added to other indexes. Our home page is actually the only page on our site that existed with the same URL a year ago, and it's the only one still in the index.
Also, some forums have been hit by the same bug, which might make sense because if a forum is active most of the pages would have been created relatively recently.
I have no idea why some sites are hit and some aren't.
Also, googlebot's been visting 40,000+ pages a day on our site this week, so I don't think our supplemental problem means they don't like us.
snofoam
I agree with your statement
I think you are on to something here as we have the same bug going on.
Site A, the main site has ranking no1 for over 6 years for highly competitive phrases, including all sub pages and third level pages. It has just had all its subpages supplemented and traffic (sales) has dropped off completely. Only the domain name is not supplemented
However, Site B the secondary site that has never ranked on Google, because of duplicate content and server filter has suddenly shot up the rankings.
Site B has now taken the place where Site A was in the results.
[72.14.207.104...] - shows Site A as no1, where it was before Big Daddy. Site A has no supplemented results in this data centre.
[66.249.93.99...] - shows Site B as no1, post Big Daddy. Site A has supplemented results.
I'm using Google.co.uk in the South of England and its using [66.249.93.99...] data centre (just pinged it) so its severing up the latest Big Daddy results
I think I should consider myself luckly in away....
I'm going to email Google to ask why the site has been supplemented - as it is clean and should have all its pages served up in the results. Also the client spent over 6 figuires on Google Ad last and got a free USB kit for Xmas, so you would hope they give the client some time to look into it, if they aren't too busy counting their cash.
If they don't give a convincing answer or give the client the time you would think they deserve to look into it, I will know Google have turned from "dont be evil" to "do be evil"
I'll keep you posted
Off topic from this thread, but I see some September 22/December 27 things fixed, while others got hurt more.
Yet another screwup, but it should make some people happy to see some pages recover. I had three pages still effected by September 22 that weren't healed on December 27th. Two (totally trivial ones) healed today, while the other (very important) one was joined in the screwedup box by another (very important) one. Cool, not.
Understatement of the year! - in our sector our own site has just been absolutely stuffed with 99% going suplemental and i have looked at others in the sector, some are unaffected for what ever reason and a good number of others have gone the same way!
Are all sites going to get hit as this rolls out or is this some sort of new penulty we dont know about yet?
I just dont get it?, we were ranking on this site for 3/4 string search terms with few results in googles index, now we are gone!
I dont know about suplemental hell - this is a f@cking nightmare!
As one poster said here "its like going into a coma and not knowing if you will wake up or not"!
Rich
And Freddy Kruger has got you by the...
I swear the Bible said something about Google Supplemental index being one of the gateways to Hell. Or was it the Enquirer. I dunno. I could be mistaken.
Perfectly good quality pages PR6 & PR5 that form the major content of the site have gone supplemental and vanished from the serps.
I understand GG said last week he had an idea how to fix this bug but a few days later sites are still going supplemental in the UK.
Found four more tonight in my sector that have joined me!
The worry factor here is when/will? they return?
This is a nightmare
If the problem was SEO then I wouldn't be as upset, but it looks like the problem is a google glitch of sorts, a glitch which is costing me hundreds of dollars a day, and allowing sites which never would have come close to being authority sites to slowly creep up on me.
The problem we're (the supplemental club) having right now is that live, useful pages aren't in the primary index where they should be (assuming they're good, relevant pages), so supplemental results are suddenly visible because there aren't regular results to show up first when querying for site:. For those affected, traffic has dropped dramatically because this issue doesn't affect all sites. If everyone's pages were all dropped, then there would be a level playing field amongst supplemental results that would probably result in the same general traffic pattern as if everyone's real pages were still included in the index.
I seriously do hope it's fixed soon, though. This is having a big impact on my traffic and sales. I also can honestly say that we have pretty much the best site in our niche for buyer user experience and functionality. Even without my personal bias, I think I could objectivly say that SERPS that essentially exclude our site are going to be less relevant to the search engine users looking for what we offer (which is also why I am pretty confident that this is a glitch and it will be corrected).
-phish
[edited by: quarryshark at 5:05 am (utc) on Mar. 9, 2006]
Ahh that is ok we keep ourselves busy arguing and sharing Google conspiracy theories.
