Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
One thing to watch for: HOURLY fluctuations.
After years long slow advances, my main page reached #13 in Google for the main single KW.
Suddenly it dropped to #16, then 4 hours later it was right back at #13.
Same thing with a 2-word key-phrase. From #2 or #3 I fell back to #6.
4 hours later, like the above, it was right back.
Some of this is data center switching I'm sure.
Then again maybe they use old data while they polish up the new.
All in all, Big Daddy has not hurt my site yet (knock on wood). -Larry
[edited by: tedster at 6:48 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2006]
ah well...ppc ppc it is....
A few days ago, no matter where I looked, I had my HP plus only about half a dozen other pages return as normal with the remaining pages all supplemental. Actual site size is approximately 850 pages.
I just checked on 66.102.7.99 (I think this is my default DC) and I find that a good number of my pages do not have the supplemental status. I still have many pages showing as supplemental that shouldn't be that way. Page count returned is 1,550 - too many pages but these results are the best that I'm finding.
On 66.249.93.104 I am finding supplemental pages that really do not exist anymore except in my personal files on my PC. This amounts to about 400 pages that are no longer online as ".html" pages but have been recreated in Joomla using a MySQL database. Page count returned is 749 - too few pages for the current site size.
On 64.233.179.104 and 216.239.51.104 the results are similar to the results on 66.249.93.104 - except that the page count is again at 1,550. It seems to be a mix of the two at first glance but a deeper look reveals that these results show no improvement at all. There are only about a half dozen pages that aren't supplemental in this set. Again, current & live pages are "supplemental".
Prior to this mess Google was sending about 3 times the traffic that Yahoo sends. It has totally flip-flopped to the point where Yahoo is sending 8 times the traffic that Google is now sending. Sounds like shooting oneself in the foot to me.
>>> But its really important to know where the actual problem lies: URL cannonicalization and redirects or duplicate content issues or is it some internal problems that Google is facing.
Sorry seochristine...I think GG has already been kind enough to address that the issue would be solved and I think that it is more than adequate. In this case it is not really important to know what the actual problem is, but what is more important is to have our pages return into the index and continue our living. You know some issues are not suitable to be explained to public and what is even more important is that we do not own Google.
Crush, just lay off to downsize but not out of business. Fortunately Yahoo and MSN are our cushions but we cannot maintain our current size without Google. Adwords is another option that we also use, but higher and higher rise of bids make our margins lower and lower progressively - we cannot survive if we were to rely on Adwords only. Some times we do spend more on Adwords, not because of good profit from advertising in Adwords, but by channeling the funds received from free serp.
No, they have not been recovered in Big Daddy, but as GG said it could take few more days or after weekend. In non-BD datacenters, there are no problems - indexing and caching for us are ok with non-BD.
Future indexing should start picking up most affected people's pages again, though it may take a few more days for it to be visible.
Anyone else interpreting this as old indexed pages are not being restored, but rather only pages from recent crawls will be.
Guess that does not bode well for our previous pages rankings. :(
I think I can also confirm this fact as of today.
I guess I will be happier, once this propages to BD.
I did not change anything - not even adding links modifying .htaccess 301 redirects or changing the IP address.
However the bad news: my ranking did not improve, did not get higher traffic...
I assume it would take some time?
GoogleGuy used to say: More then a day less then a week(s)?:)
a few things could still be there next week after all this such as 301 probs ....don't confuse Big Daddy with other issues .... they are separate..... Big Daddy just distorts the problem and is confusing a lot of folks on the forums ....... see this report i received :
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Hope everybody will get back their lost positions after the weekend.
Probably GoogleGuy will come back with lots of good luck wishes during "St. Patricks's Day"
If the world revolved around you. Sheesh.
Anyway, obviously understanding the problem is the far more important issue since we don't want to see this happen to a different batch of sites next week or the week after, and if there is a way to further protect sites, we all should know that.
Basically the expected status quo, with pages lost being replaced by newly crawled ones, with the supplementals going back into the background again. The question of whether ranking will be the same, or similiar, or dissimilar is a good one. Obviously the "fixed" indexing is only one aspect and reindexed but lamely ranking pages isn't going to please many folks.
I don't think I will get to be optimistic, until we see the big daddy DC's start to show full listings.
I would sure love to know what the hell is going on!
I agree with steveb. The fact that the problem is getting fixed is a relief IF your site actually returns to prior ranking.
What's far more important is what triggered this problem in the first place.
A couple of folks sent me examples of their site. In each instance I was not able to find an actual page - with links pointing to the page - among the supplementals. In other words, the pages showing should be supplemental. The fact that they were showing may simply be the lack of "real" pages to show. Those supplementals were probably there in the first place, it's just you didn't know about them.
When mine first started showing, I took the opportunity to clean house and make sure Google knows what's going on with those outcast pages.
I don't think I'll ever get rid of those supplementals. But at least I can keep telling the SEs what to do (410, 301, robots.txt)if they try to find them. I've also taken steps to prevent more supplementals from being generated in the first place.
[edited by: tedster at 3:23 am (utc) on Mar. 10, 2006]
We need all the supplemental pages that were recently trashed on our sites returned back to the index asap.
I can only hope this problem is fixed quickly and pages are returned, currently im seeing little change in both big daddy data centres and non big Daddy data centres for UK results currently.
As i say its a nightmare.
Actually, that was my point. You just put it better :)
From reading posts on forums such as this, I get the impression that some are doing exactly that.
I think major changes right now would be a mistake.
Because this is a GOOGLE forum!
Looking in my own sector, our site is trashed and so are a number of others thanks to this error. As one poster said earlier its even more frustrating when you realize other sites somehow missed the problem and are now ranking higher than they deserve to be!
Google has let a good number of authority sites down here with this supplemental issue.
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[edited by: tedster at 12:30 am (utc) on Mar. 10, 2006]
