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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-30

Observations, Analysis and Remarks

         

johnwards

3:55 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

This is just odd.

The 64.* DC's return about 300 pages from my site.

The 216.* DC's return about 46,000 pages from my site.

And the 66.* return 69,000 pages from my site.

Currently I have about 65,000 pages.

If I go to google.co.uk I get 46,000 pages. If I go to google.com from my US based server I get the same 46,000 results.

It is all very odd and confusing.

[edited by: tedster at 9:56 pm (utc) on Jan. 30, 2006]

colin_h

11:54 am on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)



DayoUK,

I can see why they want to get this new infrastructure up and running. Imagine, they will not have to make changes to just one algorythm anymore. They will have several "orthogonal" controls with which to make minor adjustments to their results. I think, if they manage to pull it off, that times will be far less turbulent ahead for webmasters.

All the Best

Col :-)

Eazygoin

12:22 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sorry guys, but I think you have this word 'orthogonal' completely out of context.

As a singular word, its meaning is 'Not pertinent to the matter under consideration', and that what I think was meant i.e BD has no bearing on any upcoming PR update, and is concentrating on other issues.

dataguy

12:33 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think, if they manage to pull it off, that times will be far less turbulent ahead for webmasters.

Or we could all be screwed!

As posh as it sounds, the only way I can maintain sanity living at the whims of a search giant like Google is to focus on visitor experience, not SEO.

If Google stopped sending me traffic I would have to lay off a few employees and the thought of that keeps me up at night. Still, the only real control I have is over visitor experience on MY sites.

300m

12:38 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo:

"You did say in chat when i asked, that there will be some refinement to the results."

He did say that, but he also said just prior to that in the audio that it would be more transparent.

If it is going to be transparent, then I can only assume that there will be nothing significant.

The one thing that gives me hope is that at the end of the interview he was given the chance to rant about stuff. He says that he is not happy about sub domain spam. He kind of made it sound like he was going to be going after that next.

I hope he does it soon because zilch in changes to the results that I see means that BH wins and Google is going to allow it. I am the person that asked the question in chat and also the person that posted that on his blog.

Dayo_UK

12:45 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)



Eazygoin

Yes, I sort of agree with that and sort of covered it in what I said - perhaps not explained it well.

If PR is not 'Not pertinent to the matter under consideration' then is it (the updated values as found by Google xml queries) being ignored etc at this stage in BD?

If Google is starting to correctly follow redirects and resolving canonical issues PR/Ranking is very very pertinent into the overall matter under consideration - eg a Ranking fix for Canonical urls - whether it is pertinent to the matter of identification which BD is focusing on is a different issue.

EG. Is this why we are seeing a fix for identification in some cases but not the follow on fix which would be for the ranking of the page?

Edited - Dont want to show the query as it might be against TOS

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 12:59 pm (utc) on Feb. 2, 2006]

300m

12:49 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think the only thing that is going to change the index results at this point would be what Matt refers to as a "data refresh". Because for me, that is when this all started.

Eazygoin

12:57 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

You are far more proficient in canonical issues than I will ever be, as I have never studied it coherantly. I watch coments as an observer, but as it hasn't affected my sites, and so I keep distant from it from a purely selfish point of view.

What I see as relevant in the current realm of things, is that a PR update will come quite soon, but it will not have any credence from BD integration. To explain further, I believe that the next PR update [bearing in mind that PR values are constantly updated, but not made public prior to a TBPR update]will not take into account any changes caused by BD, which apparently is only showing on 3 DC's currently anyway.

Dayo_UK

1:04 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)



>>>>>>I believe that the next PR update [bearing in mind that PR values are constantly updated, but not made public prior to a TBPR update]will not take into account any changes caused by BD

Yes, maybe - but until we know for sure Google are using the PR calculations as obtained by BD infastructure then the Canonical/Hijack issue will not be fixed. IMO.

EG - If the BD crawl followed a redirect and correctly indexed the destination but this was not happening in the normal crawl then the destination may not show PR until the BD infastructure is used to calculate internal and displayed PR.

I find it hard to digest that MC says it is not pertinent when the evidence is that BD is made up of differnet crawled pages/caches/backlinks and redirect infastructure.

I can understand if the matter under consideration is purely the identification of redirects etc - but for the bigger picture then surely it is.

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 1:10 pm (utc) on Feb. 2, 2006]

Eazygoin

1:10 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yes, that could also be the case, assuming that the BD data is not considered 'stand alone' prior to being fully integrated into the 'common' SERP's.

Dayo_UK

1:13 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)



Yes, which takes me back to wondering if this calculation of BL,PR, Ranking and other indicators (as there must be one and it must be seperate from the main crawl) has been factored into Big Daddy or if the DC is using the ranking etc calculations as based on the normal/classic Google crawl.
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