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All indications are pointing in the direction that we are approaching heavy changes in Google's index infrastructure. Matt has confirmed that several times. As such its of importance at present to keep an eye opened on possible changes on Google's datacenters.
In fact watching and analyzing changes on the DCs of high importance, IMO. Because it tells us much about what do we expect tomorrows serps to look like, and might take actions regarding our sites in good time.
Some of us are addicted DCs Watchers and we do that with passion and there is no doubt about our spirit of sharing our observations with the rest of our kind fellow members . However, we are often blamed of hijacking other threads if we have no place to post our observations and remarks ;-)
For you passionate Google Datacenters Watchers, I'm starting this thread.
Let those observations, analysis and remarks coming.
Thanks!
Back again but no progress at all.
In fact it is still displaying stupidly old cache dates.
It's not spreading. I can tell. On non-test DCs I show 980+ pages in the index. On the test DCs I show around 300. I see it currently on the one DC mentioned.
It's also far from over. There is no way I'm going to stick at 300 pages. More twisting to come.
If the result is:
No.1 = giants.mlb.com/
It Big Daddy
If its:
No.1 = www.sfgiants.com/
Its not Big Daddy - regardless of the IP address!
I definately witnessed a great upheaval on 27th Dec. I had forgotten what a hit from google was like and then I noticed a couple of hits from AOL. All of a sudden I'm back in the index, as if I'd never been away. Plenty of supplimentals back then, but these have gradually been replaced by my newer pages and my PR5 restored.
I did predict in one of my rants back on November 24 ( [webmasterworld.com...] ) that after the Christmas period was over there would be big changes. Some on the forum dismissed me as a fool, as usual, saying the update would come mid to late February. But I don't care, cos I'm back again (And touch wood I'll survive the re-calculation of my incoming links ... last time got banned)
Over the past few days I've seen the supplimentals disapearing and much less spam on the top ten results. I think that the Big Daddy thing is starting to look as subtle as Matt Cutts described on his initial blog comments.
All the Best
Col :-]
On what basis are you making that statement? MSN shows the most pages at 1,100, Yahoo has just over 900. Google shows 980 on most centers. The site has just over 1,100 pages. In fact, for some reason Google likes to hold onto pages forever. Storage is cheap today as are CPU cycles. I certainly DO expect Google to index every page it finds on the internet - it's part of their Vision.
Anyway, without going back to MC and looking up the giants query, I was just trying to let the poster know that BD was certainly not spreading.
It may just be my site plopping in and out as my incoming links are re-calcualated or might be a sign of something bigger. I've definately seen Big Daddy in and out of google.co.uk today.
Is anyone else getting these dance effects or am I about to get bumped again? I gave up working on the sites this month ... but can't stop watching, it's fascinating.
All the Best
Col :-)
i am however, seeing fluctuations on the DCs. as per a previous post of mine - Sunday and Monday I had some massive improvements in ranking and then yesetrday evening they were gone...however, they're still showing on some DCs (such as [64.233.167.99)...] and others keep changing every time you refresh....
all this DC checking is starting to do my head in
I can confirm this 100% as we have received many BD hits and have used the sf giants test and our postions on BD are clearly different to default.
If I get a deault result and then refresh the page a few times the DC changes to Big Daddy.
There are periods when BD is turned off though it really is intermittent!
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Definately Big Daddy folks!
I would like to know more about the data refresh on the 27th of December. Surley I can not be the only person that was drastically affected by this.
300m -
I lost 90% traffic for one of my sites on the 27th and it has been very surprising to me that there was little or no discussion about this on any boards. It definitely seems like that something bigger than a data refresh occured on this date.
Right now I am seeming some very poor results for selected keyphrases on all the datacenters. There are a lot of scrapers, 404s and even affiliate links.
Anyone have a theories?
I wondered that too......
Mozilla Googlebot is still about but not as much as it was in December time.
I wondered if it was the bot the crawled supplimentals too - but MC has indicated that the supplimental Googlebot is not going to crawl for a while - while Mozilla Googlebot is still about.
I have a theory. Because Jaggers 1 and 2 were a wake up call, I am all over my keywords. Luckily Jagger 3 worked it out for me, but December 27th is what I consider to be 1 of 2 things.
1) Partial roll back to jagger 1 or jagger 2.
I say this because I see the dmoz, shopping sites, news articles plus a few spam sites. This is exactly what I saw during j1 and j2.
2) Some kind of index merge that was beginning to show up 2 weeks before december 27th.
2 weeks prior to the "data refresh" I noticed that on the big daddy data center the index for some of my keywords increased from 40 million to almost 200 million.
I beleive that what i see on all data centers was initially on big daddy until the 27th, then propegated to a good majority of data centers and is currently live. Did this happen to build a new index or what ever for the big daddy feedback, i do not know, but I have watched a lot of site drop, not just mine, but almost every competitior I have for most of the keywords I target is not on page one anymore.
It is replaced by jagger1 and jagger 2 like results.
Considering what Matt discussed on his blog, I can not beleive that this is the end result, nor can i beleive that any rank changes will be hardly noticed.
Of course, many might have a different opinion, but this is not based only on my opinions, I have made observations since before october and have historical data via kw ranking from digital point that tells me that it is the same scenario as jagger 1 and 2.
I know, i know, jagger is done...:)
I'm sure that Old Big Daddy has been popping up on .uk today. I've managed to catch him at a couple of times and also my hits are up from keywords that I haven't seen since June last year. I've been using the giants.mlb.com recognition technique to make sure too.
I think it's going to cross soon ... Whooooooooa!
Best of luck Lee
Cheers
Col :-)
I do hope you're right in that BigDaddy is coming - it'll be nice to be busy working again rather than spening my life checking DCs....
Anyhow they won't get any sense out of me, I'll be glued to WebmasterWorld ... Big Daddy spotting.
I agree that the results look like j1, j2 so I am optimistic that things will snap back to relative normality sometime.
On a side note, have you noticed on these big guns that the URL's are exactly what matt said he did not want them to be?
Quote from Matt's Site:
"I’d rather see www.example.com than www.example.com/deep/home/page?last=root&sessid=909345AF2343 , and I think most people would too."
When you are looking at those big gun results, do you see this to be the case in more than several instances?
I do, that is why i beleive that something a little more than a data refresh happend on the 27th. It may be a small data refresh from a google standpoint, but for me, it is big.
whats the betting, i post this message, and they'll be gone again!
I can see a difference in the sites listed between Normal Results and BD results, but for some searches where all the sites are the BD results I see a different sort order for those same sites only moments apart (and directly on 66.249.93.104 too).
On my way to bed, but couldn't help it. I had to "watch" the DCs :-)
Just to say that my default google.com at the moment is [66.249.93.99...]
As you might expect, its a BigDaddy DC.
I can see a fresh cache of my homepage which is dated
9 Jan 2006 04:16:02 GMT.!
Don't know whether that means anything.
Good night and God bless.
A search for our main keyword on www.google.co.uk returns our site at No.4 result with the cache link [66.102.9.104...] (Default Index)
A search for our main keyword on www.google.co.uk alternately returns our site at No.6 result with the cache link [66.249.93.104...] (Big Daddy Index)
However:
A search for our main keyword replacing www.google.co.uk with 66.249.93.104 in the search string [ [66.249.93.104...] ] returns our site at No.7 result with the same cache link [66.249.93.104...] (Big Daddy Index)
Why the difference?
Replacing www.google.co.uk with 66.249.93.104 in the UK search string should produce the same results when both show exactly the same cache link as [66.249.93.104...]
I have monitered this all day and its remained constant.
Its the same BD Index/DC and local search string so why the difference in the results?
