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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-09

Observations, Analysis and Remarks

         

reseller

9:17 am on Jan 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks

All indications are pointing in the direction that we are approaching heavy changes in Google's index infrastructure. Matt has confirmed that several times. As such its of importance at present to keep an eye opened on possible changes on Google's datacenters.

In fact watching and analyzing changes on the DCs of high importance, IMO. Because it tells us much about what do we expect tomorrows serps to look like, and might take actions regarding our sites in good time.

Some of us are addicted DCs Watchers and we do that with passion and there is no doubt about our spirit of sharing our observations with the rest of our kind fellow members . However, we are often blamed of hijacking other threads if we have no place to post our observations and remarks ;-)

For you passionate Google Datacenters Watchers, I'm starting this thread.

Let those observations, analysis and remarks coming.

Thanks!

NoLimits

9:21 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Confirmed @ [66.249.93.104...]

Ahhh, there's still hope.

powerofeyes

9:40 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Seeing a small variation of Big daddy results first time in India, It seems big daddy is about to spread across other DCs,

Ellio

11:28 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Seeing a small variation of Big daddy results first time in India, It seems big daddy is about to spread across other DCs,

I think thats unlikely as MC has confirmed that it may be 1-2 months before it goes live.

frup

12:11 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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BigDaddy has changed quite a bit with this latest rev.

legallyBlind

1:11 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have been seeing bigdaddy results on default google all day today for some of my keywords but not on all the keywords I wish for. Yes, there is still some hope.

ScottD

8:44 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Okay so the DCs I posted are not big daddy DCs. Good. But I had a serious problem with the home page of one of our sites and on those DCs it is resolved and showing in exactly the same position as it shows on the 66.. Big Daddy DC.

So - I reckon the "fix" may be spreading. I hope so. That site of ours has been nowhere for so long.

On that subject I have to say a big thank you to Webmasterworld. If it wasn't for the discussions here I never would have heard of the word canonical, let alone begun to suspect that I had a problem like that.

Ellio

8:53 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I agree I think that some of the canonical fixes may well be spreading to the default index.

Dayo_UK

9:23 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)



ScottD

What is the ranking of the homepage like on the DCs you are back in - ranking well - or just ranking? (as in the 100s from nowhere?)

Is it just your homepage that is ranking again - or some internals?

Also when did your site go missing/problems begin?

Personally - I am seeing no visible progress on the test dc - and have not seen anything encouraging on any of the other dcs either.

Cheers

Dayo

reseller

9:43 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good morning Folks

Still see BigDaddy on my default google.com 66.249.93.99

I don't dare to say; Thats IT!

But on the other hand, it could be; Thats IT :-)

powerofeyes

11:34 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see exactly the same what ScottD sees, That is why I reported assuming big daddy is spreading, Infact it did not, But it seems the homepages which disappeard in Jagger update are back to the same position they were in all DCs,

there is something definetely going on with google,

paintbox

1:06 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google is now serving BD results on 66.249.93.104 on a lot of local (web)searches like google.co.uk, google.de, google.se, google.dk. The results vary slightly from country to country, so it seems they are now testing the BD algo in conjunction with localized results.

followgreg

1:45 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah missing homepages finally back on 66.249.93.99 ...it was about time I guess :)

larryhatch

1:54 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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For the sake of those not in the know,
is "Big Daddy" the moniker for some presumed G update like Jagger and Brandy etc? -Larry

Dayo_UK

2:03 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)



followgreg

The homepages you are seeing come back - are they ranking anywhere near decently? - or just back - and poorly ranking.

walkman

2:13 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)



>> I think thats unlikely as MC has confirmed that it may be 1-2 months before it goes live

was that a month ago? Time passes you know :)

Dayo_UK

2:13 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)



Lol - it was only 1 1/2 weeks ago unfortunately :(

Ellio

3:40 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I posted recently that the google.co.uk was showing slightly different Big Daddy results to 66.249.93.104 even when the UK local string is added to the 66.249.93.104 IP search address.

idolw

4:17 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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the BigDaddy DC is showing thin affiliates on hotel searches. Also, I am seeing pages with no real content but only search panels ranked high.
i thought it was what google did not want to show to their users!

Pico_Train

8:05 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts' blog is down...

This should penalise his site a bit...

;)

natural number

8:06 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In North Carolina, i'm getting Big Daddy results on Google.

reseller

9:19 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Its All About Expectations And Dreams

Good evening folks

No doubt that the folks at the plex have expected much of BigDaddy according to what we have read untill now on Matt "Inigo" Cutts blog. You name it and BigDaddy will resolve it. Thats at least what Matt has been signaling.

However, at this advanced stage of BigDaddy we are not seeing much of the expected improvements, Canonicals, supplementals, redirects etc..

We have ended with a talk about a Guitar Hero and improvements in infrastructure which we are not supposed to notice ...instead

Maybe at the end, if we are lucky, shall witness the recovery of sites with canonical-light, redirect-light, supplementals-light problems. The rest shall remain suffering as they have already done since the begining of last year 2005.

And it seems Matt's great BigDaddy expectations have ended as a sweet dream about renting a Pontiac Montana from Alamo car rental place in San Diego.

Lets do as Matt. Just forget all about BigDaddy and start dreaming about guitars and big cars :-)

ScottD

9:33 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK you asked me:

What is the ranking of the homepage like on the DCs you are back in - ranking well - or just ranking? (as in the 100s from nowhere?)

Is it just your homepage that is ranking again - or some internals?

Also when did your site go missing/problems begin?

The page has a PR 5 although it is showing 6 on these other DCs, which is how I spotted them to discover the improved results. (these DCs feature on a future PR tool)

As far as I can tell the only real difference in ranking is for the home page. The site is called city-widget.com and ranked position 60ish for "city widget" before the change and 10th after the change. It used to rank higher than that about 2-3 years ago, then slowly slid down the rankings. (Naturally in Yahoo its number 1)

The site has been underperforming for forever, and recently we remade the site completely, making it a whole lot cooler and adding LOTS of content, which is why I generally expect it to get a PR6 (it had that once then lost it) Actually I used to say its poor positions were fair enough as the content was so poor and I even congratulated Google for not showing it!

So...it could be that the changes we made are really the main cause of the changes in positions. BUT when looking at the site I discovered an incoming link to the [site.com...] page and discovered that this version of the page was in googles' serps and had a PR2 instead of the PR5 on the www URL

Thats what made me get a 301 done, having learnt about that here and in Matt Cutts blog. We didn't do a re-submit or anything else, but I have trouble to find the www-less site in G's serps now.

I'm still not happy with the results for that site, but I fell confident now that we can start to edge back up the results, especially if the Big Daddy canonical fix migrates.

ScottD

ScottD

9:35 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Reseller

I play guitar. I recommend it

ScottD

ScottD

9:45 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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An interesting update to what I have been seeing - the PR of our site shown for those datacenters where my problem seemed to be fixed has gone back to the PR5 I get on other DC's, BUT the site is still ranking well on these DCs. The DCs again for anyone interested:

216.239.57.104
216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104

Anyone else seeing canonical issues solved on these?

steveb

10:21 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ScottD, what you describe is not a canonical fix, but rather Google just picking up the 301. That happens all the time.

HieroHero

10:29 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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big daddy has now reached google australia..

BillyS

1:02 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>big daddy has now reached google australia..

I dont see it there. IP addresses might be better. In this situation I'm talking about 216.239.39.104.

Miop

1:56 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There appears to have been a staged updating with improvements, but testing my site on the DC's I can see that the index.php/home page issue has not been fixed properly (if at all) yet and my home page is still nowhere to be found. Internal pages are ranking much better.
Local G (UK) still has lots of url only pages for me and is totally different from the test DC and others.

otech

5:06 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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big daddy has NOT reached Australia at all- as mentioned above I think talking IP's would be a better option. I would notice this straight away as .au is my default domain and we are checking things on there every half hour or so.

My .au ip is presently 216.239.59.104 - and it is same old same old.

"216.239.57.104
216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104

Anyone else seeing canonical issues solved on these?
"

Just checked a couple of sites with known canonical issues and they are also unfixed - I think your 301 did the trick as it should, but there isnt anything special I can see...

Anyone else?

HieroHero

7:20 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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well big daddy may not have reached australia but my results have changed..? my sites suddenly ranking highly so im not complaining
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