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I have a few terms left in google that rank well, I wanted to find out why they still ranked well. Here is my conclusion so far,
using a site:#*$!x (keyword here), I search for keywords that used to ranked well in google.
Some keywords pull up as much as 15,000 pages, some 11,000+
For keywords on MY site that was UNDER 400 result or so (not a few thousand), the results REMAINED in Google ranking, top 10 or so.
For internal searches on keywords with more than a few hundred, it dropped off the chart.
I think I am being penalized for heavy internal linking or keyword usage on my pages, but I am not sure how to overcome this since I have a large site and I am using product titles to navigate
home : department : Product a:
and product b would be
home : Department : Product B
Now if you multiply this by a couple thousand products, you can see why there will be a lot of links to any particular keyword and I think I am being penalized for it.
IS google tell us to kill good navigation to get ranked
Basically, all the pages will be
home : Department
and NOTHING ELSE
I guess they are trying to get rid of affiliate farms, but legitimate sites are getting penalized.
[edited by: tedster at 9:13 am (utc) on Jan. 22, 2007]
Still visiting but have nothing to say. Came out partially 3-4 days ago, completely 2-3 days ago and have been out since. Wish you the best.
I have been reading some common tones though. Mostly about
1. Affiliate linking (we have none)
2. Paid link farm linking (we dont do it)
3. A problem with cob-web.org
4. Over optimization
BTW, anybody who knows what is the latest craze in SEO? I'd like to know because that's the next thing the Internet Police (Google) is going to get you slammed with. Things you do today that is white-hat will be black-hat tomorrow.
New Patent Application - Spam Detection Based on Phrase Indexing [webmasterworld.com]
Not saying they're using that - who could know if they are? But there's a lauundry list in it of factors to take a closer look at.
Wikipedia has, let's see... about 3.5 million articles, many of which are the top hit or at in the top ten for the relevant keywords. I've also seen many pages that that are PR 5 or 6.
For such a site to remove its links from its contribution to the rest of the Web's SEO would be like setting off an atomic bomb at the GooglePlex.
I think that ultimately it won't matter, that is, if your site ranked well before, it will rank well after Wikipedia's contribution is gone, because it will be gone for your competitors as well. But it will take time for the dust to settle.
We have a very, very content rich site that is highly acclaimed in the media. As a reader service, and source of income, we also offer (no follow) affiliate links to products which we hand select to correspond to the editorial topics. You like it, you can click for it rather than find it on your own-- simple. Except in the eyes of Uncle Barney Google who thinks its random quasi-topic related ads are king.
We have repeatedly been mysteriously dumped from Google over the years and then reinstated after many, many months. Again, last week, we were dumped again.
Thankfully, Yahoo continues to love us just the way we are. And we love the hundreds of thousands of referrals they send us monthly.
Each time Google dumps us, our Page Rank and back links also get dumped. Instead of relevant authority sites that link to us, we see teenybopper blogs and scrapers, but nothing real or descent. Coincidence?
If one was supposed to live by Adsense income alone to please Uncle Google, you would think they would want to keep the referrals coming in to boost the traffic. Instead our Adsense revenue for this AM was a whopping $1.87.
It would be the least that Google could do if they bothered to have humans look at content in relation to affiliate links, or anything else for that matter, and not rely on an algorithm thatís only merit is taking the money out of our kidís lunchbox. They get bigger, we get creamed.
So, last night, my pagerank went UP by 3 (I know PR doesn't mean a ton), but at the same time, the dismal rankings for whatever long phrases were still showing up have all but disappeared.
I have decided to give up obsessing about it, because it is obviously not in my hands, and nothing my site has deserved. It sucks. Page rank up, inbound links up, content up, but my site has been blindfolded and shot without a last meal.
The site is close to a year and a half old, so the only thing I can think of is that they have tweaked the age factor in their algo.
Guess I'll go get some coffee.
I looking more towards:
heavy use of anchor text on all pages
one way linking (own some old directory sites)
anyone elso have this?
changing the above for me means months of work and lots of new content added. Just hope it is the right direction.
It's just my opinion from past experience that that is a futile attempt at playing the Google Guessing Game. Also, I would NOT change anything without waiting a substantial amount of time, unless otherwise noted that there is a factual issue that can be resolved with proof.
This happens with Google constantly, and everytime I've encountered it, my sites always came back as normal or stronger after waiting a certain period of time.
In this particular instance, I'm planning on waiting a month or more. If Google doesn't come around then, it may be time to proactively take steps to resolve the issue. Besides...if you don't really know what the problem is, do you really want to go and mess around with your site - not knowing if you'll do more harm than good?
[edited by: ConfusedWriter at 5:30 pm (utc) on Jan. 25, 2007]
If I just continue to think about the site long-term, add my own content and photos, make sure I have no duplicate content issues, encourage people to link to me because the site is useful, and not do anything stupid or spammy, the site will stay ahead of whatever curve there is. Like a 401k, there will be ups and downs. But at the end of the day I am up over where I started, I will be happy.
The input on this thread has been great, encouraging, and helpful.
Thanks to all.....
What I see is Google getting more targetted in their search result, something we have been begging for for a long time, not knowing that it'll effect our sites as well in the way they have implemented it.
I see sites being evaluated by their IBL and the anchor text of the IBL and when I look at the site giving them all the IBL value I look at the anchor text and you know what? We all have helped them push our sites down by beeing nice, giving them all these OBL's.
I'm going to follow Wikki's recipe: use rel=nofollow and then we'll see what Google does with their algo. If everybody used a rel=nofollow their stupid algo would break down! PR ranking would go hay-wire because now they have no way of doing their weighting of OBL's and IBL's anymore!
Anybody else here can do whatever they think is needed. Wait? That's fine but for how long? 1 month? 2 months? and then change? 1-3 months is LONG time in Internet time. I know that my site(s) has come back after 2 months, but what is saying that this is the case now? What if they say that this is it? Then you'll be sitting there in the bac-wash and you'll have 6-12 months to get back into the serp's again.
Just my 1 1/2 cent.
You hit the nail on the head. It's definitely and 100% related to that.
I say: Google is playing around with clusters to detect spam and it is not working. In fact - it completely backfired. Is that the stuff they bought from Israel? The system "that knows related schtuff"?
A good webpage is containing links to related articles, widgets whatever. If that is done in a proper way on a very high level it generates a big value for visitors.
Example (NOT FROM MY INDUSTRY):
Looking for a hotel in widgetland, widgetbeach and it shall have 4 stars? If you found one - and there are more hotels on the same page that EXACTLY match what you're looking for - thats great. It saves you time, gives you more options. It also makes people klick. Great for users and for webmasters but not for Google.
They think it's spam and will drop that page out - because of too much related keywords ... or inflated links .. or whatever they want to call it.
I call that: an algo that is able to filter out scrapers to a certain extent - but unable to work properly for high quality websites. It's favouring the wrong results from the wrong pages.
It's definitely not working in my industry. No way. )/Á(&"Á*)!