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AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]
66.102.7.104 won the battle thankfully, however, as MC mentioned that there will be tweaking due to the anomalies in supplimentals.
Who has confirmed 66.102.7.104 won the battle?
66.102.9.104 has been live in parts of the UK since Saturday. The fact .7.104 is being used on your Google.com means nothing at this stage in my opinion.
Could very well be... But I am thinking even G wants to put this behind them before the J does indeed become a D.
[edited by: Yippee at 2:44 pm (utc) on Nov. 7, 2005]
I survived the sandbox and actually did quite well at times. If the sandbox served any purpose for me, it was to teach me that I could make it without google.
I'll ditto that sentiment. We lost quite a bit of google traffic since the beginning of this debacle, but our 13 nonths in the "sandbox" more than proved you can still build a profitable commercial business online without google. Google's traffic a nice bonus of course, and quite a few of our top 10 positions we held previous to this update seem to be slowly returning (checked about a dozen or so terms this morning), but between Yahoo/MSN/Bookmarks/Emailed Newsletter....there are plenty more fish in the ocean that we can sell to besides google's users.
Heck, they've allowed so many dealtime/epinions/amazon listings into their serps, it's amazing to me they're not charging those guys ;-) Couple that with the plethora of foreign sites showing up in U.S. results (i.e. foreign commercial sites that only sell to non-U.S. countries), and you have to wonder what exactly they're trying to accomplish with this "update".
This permanently changes!
I feel fooish, apparentley i was logged in to my gmail account all weekend and I could see on all these DC that one term I was looking in to had me ranked pretty good (Between 3 and 5 for a term that yeilds 48 million results) I wanted it to show on a normal google.com search and it was shoing at #10.
I was bumming out, and said, hey why am i sill logged in here? So i logged out of my g account and did the key phrase search again and it now shows it is ranked at number #3.
That puts me at ease...:)
Now I rank better on 66.102.7.104.
If you run your mouse over the word 'cache' on any searched result, you can see the DC written in the bottom of the window.
I also rank better in .7. but rank extremely well in .9. also.
And the proper results are on: 66.102.9.104
Oh ok my site is penalised… and I thought it was the www/non-www issue!
The 'proper results' probably aren't quite there yet, as there is more flux to come, and some tweaking of the algos.
You are both exactly right. The days of trying to build sites to Google's guidelines are over (don't forget that Google created the linking hysteria that they are now penalizing for). A few years ago, very few realized the potential of search to generate revenue. Now everyone does, hence the growth of Yahoo and MSN. I would venture to guess that we will see more heavy hitters enter search in the next few years.
Google will obviously be a major player for years, but they will inevitably lose market share. The only sensible way to proceed is to build the best possible experience for the user.
Ok so penalised sites are on: 66.102.9.104
And the proper results are on: 66.102.9.104
Do you guys just make this stuff up as you go along?
I saw the 66.102.7.104 results there, but checked again and the previous 66.102.9.104 result where back. Look like someone is playing with the knobs.
I Suggest that instead of searching data centers you will take that time to look at your website & hosting companies.
Since my site was gone I did that for the last couple of days and guess what I found.
1. Found 70 broken links. "Thank you Xenu's Link Sleuth (TM)"
2.Found out that my server gave 40% 503 errors under pressure! (I am sure googlebot did not like it) and I am hosting in a very known firm and paying big bucks)
3. Found out that even that my server is definitely located in Chicago, all tools that convert ip to location was saying its in Italy!
Well I have fixed all that and I am back on serps not on the same location but much much better.
I don't know if these actions brought me back from the dead but I am more relaxed now.
So take that precious time and run all tests you can imagine on your site, you might come up with something...I sure as hell came out with more than something...
Can't decide whether I am going to end up a 7 or a 9 though.
:)
By the way, G stock about to top $400.
We're not happy with canonical issue (and GG says he as well thought more would have been fixed.. and that point to be passed back to the "team").
From what I read between the lines, ..9. will take the lead and ..7. will then be folded into ..9. This would make some sense because we saw a canonically correct ranking on ..7. for the first level of the domain (only). It would make sense that once ..9. is the pack leader and that ..7. will insert itself into ..9.
Hmm.. too bad it's not ..6. for the IP address.
>>I just saw movement on 66.102.9.104
I saw the 66.102.7.104 results there, but checked again and the previous 66.102.9.104 result where back. Look like someone is playing with the knobs.<<
Both Googleguy & Matt Cutts have mentioned that Jagger3 will be followed by FLUX.
You may wish to take a look at what Matt wrote yesterday:
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Matt Said,
November 6, 2005 @ 8:51 pm
Stephen, I know that mirago.co.uk had a lot of search result pages, so there might be something different going on with that site.
Harith, there is definitely still some flux to go.
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[mattcutts.com...]
when we add new accommodation we copy parts of the description from the accommodations homepage, what also do another travel sites if one of them is stronger then we, we get a double content penalty.
g.g. is it possible to engage all our language sites to avoid crossllinking penalty?
Thank you very much.
P.
I can never be sure whether it was flux, canonical resolve, or my plea via the "dissatisfied" link, but yesterday something brought our site back from never-never land.
I'm betting on the dissatisfied link, so I don't care whether you admit it or not, thank you for your involvement. Praise, praise and more praise! GG is all merciful, all caring and at this moment at the very center of my universe.
PS Just in case I'm wrong, please unread the above paragraph ;)
When i ping google i get
66.102.7.147
When I mouse over the cache I get
72.14.203.104
Both showing the same results....
So take that precious time and run all tests you can imagine on your site, you might come up with something...
Asher02,
You are so right. I lost all Google traffic twice this year, but instead of taking the wait-and-see attitude that most people were advocating, I took a hard look at the affected site. And too my surprise I found many things that Google may not have liked, even though I thought I was White Hat. I fixed these, made my site squeaky-clean, and moved to a more expensive host with Tier 1 network links.
I can't be certain this has been beneficial but my traffic has never been better, the site has had had no Google problems for some months, and it is weathering Jagger without incident. (Touch wood :))
Earlier in this thread someone mentioned "Signs of Quality". I also suspect that there are "Signs of Spam". I suspect that Google takes note of site-wide characteristics such as unusually high ratio of keywords/text, unusually high incidence of H tags/text, an unusually high number of pages banned to SEs, links buried in javascript, in fact anything that could be a sign of over-optimistaion or spam.
One or two of these indications may not trigger anything, but hit a certain criteria and your site has gone. If it quacks like a spam, walks like a spam, then by Golly it is a spam.
