Part 4 Update Jagger

[GoogleGuy]

Continued from:
[webmasterworld.com...]

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reseller, Jagger3 ended up having less emphasis on canonicals. I plan to make that a theme in my feedback to people at work though.

AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]

[Tuscaloosa]

Actually the latest from GG was this

"steveb and idolw, there will be some blending of these two data centers. If you think of 66.102.9.104 as the first order effect and 66.102.7.104 as the second order effect, that won't be far off."

in post 134

Now if I remember science terminology correctly then "first order effect" would be like the dinosaurs dying off from a meteor impact..."second order effect" of the meteor impact is like mammals taking over because dinosaurs are gone....therefore .7 would be the latest Jagger3...

BUT I may have that totally wrong...feel free to correct....

JO

[cleanup]

I was hit by Sept 22nd and am now seeing some return to the DC's today - (migrating from the "7" DC.

Hooorahh!
Looks like they are finally putting Humpty Dumpty together again!

40 days and nights was a long time to be out in the wilderness, but I did a lot thinking and came up with my own set of commandments! ;)

[webpro00801]

I have my conf file (Apache) set like so (in the virtual server container):

ServerName www.mysite.com
ServerAlias mysite.com www.anothter-url-iused-to-use.com anothter-url-iused-to-use.com

So is this wrong? I have been running this config for years and never thought it made a difference - it is the proper way to configure a server... so why would Google penalize it?

[brokenbricks]

anyone else seeing Mcdar being broken? It's showing rank 12-15 spots Higher than I actually am. It must be very confused lately :)

[Joop]

I thought I read earlier that if you hover the mouse over the Cached link next to the results, it would tell you the DC your default browser is using.

When I do this, it says my default browser is 66.102.9.104 but when i put 66.102.9.104 in the address field and then search from there, i get a different set of results.

Can anyone advise me what i'm doing wrong/missing?

thanks

[discobiscuit]

I seem to get the same, are you using Google.co.uk?

[helenp]

taps...
You told him he could be lost for 2 months. Why lose 2 months of revenue if he comes out of this nice and solid at the top? Within 2 days he will know for sure.

The same as with me, even though I donīt think I been hut (at least not much) I decided to put in an 301 to make google drop the non www.

I have in site:www.mysite 368 pages and in
site:mysite 375 pages

I think that only the pages indexed as non www could be dropped and sort of "sandboxed" if any are sandboxed?

[edited by: helenp at 1:38 pm (utc) on Nov. 7, 2005]

[lufc1955]

Normasp

You are right. 66.102.9.104 is spreading now to other DC's

[petehall]

Have you got a list of DCs it's spread to?

[donelson]

You are right. 66.102.9.104 is spreading now to other DC's

Oh, no. We liked the .7. Very Much. It was much fairer to info sites.

[taps]

just to clarify: He won't be lost because of the 301-link. But after being hit by a dupe content penalty it takes a while to recover.

But it wouldn't hurt if he will wait a few more days until jagger3 will settle.

[Eazygoin]

My default Google and .7.are virtually identical, which makes me believe that its the DC being spread across the board.

[nickied]

anyone seen improvement with the inflated page count problem? still 10x actual here.

also, improvement with the problem of multiple cache from January, June, July, etc?

[lufc1955]

Jagger 3 is showing on these DC's.

66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99

[zikos]

Instead of moaning and making this thread look like a Yahoo chat room ,why don't you try to make new domains ,try to understand Google's new face and make your new sites according there guidelines,the rest it's only flying pigs.There will be changes every month every year ,I strongly believe there will be new algos ,pages we thought are to stay for ever at #1 will die like everything in this life must die even if that is Google ,Yahoo ,Ebay ,tripadvisor ,opodo or Expedia.
The Planet change every day people and business die every day.So take it like one of you children died in google Jagger ,go back to your wife and make a new child,within 9 months you will have a new born child again.That is life.

[petehall]

Jagger 3 is showing on these DC's.
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99

It's been like that since Saturday.

[StriderUK]

Zikos, ever thought of going into counselling?

[tonyss]

OOOH Ziko....

Some gruesome analogy there. Comparing losing a website to losing a child? Just go make another one?

[Eazygoin]

Jagger 3 is showing on these DC's.
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99

I disagree. I checked some keywords, and different results on every DC!

[McMohan]

try to understand Google's new face and make your new sites according there guidelines

Thats the point everyone is trying to come to terms with, discussing here.

[300m]

Any idea when the results will show in a regular google.com search?

I am foaming at the mouth waiting for it to happen. I need closure on this already.

[soapystar]

hey Zikos

some people find it more humane to teach their kids the ways of life rather than make a new one each time they wet the bed........

just a thought.....

i know which parents id be looking to keep at the creche if i was in charge of the parental after hours club.....

[Joop]

discobiscuit

yes, i'm using google uk.

[barretire]

Some new results are starting to trickle in to the main Google..By far not the final but a trickle.

[anttiv]

300m, J3 is now live in some parts of the world. It seems like a big change in some areas. I'm already seeing traffic dropping so some of you are seeing traffic going up. Enjoy while it lasts.

When is the next update?

[WebPixie]

I know business is not about emotion, you find the best course of action and follow it.

But I have issues with the idea that I've built a site, over countless hours that I'm very proud of and feel serves a real purpose for users... but google doesn't like it so I'll just start over and hopefully google will like the next one.

Google doesn't have to like me site. But I don't have turn myself into the dog chasing it's own tail either. I'll continue to add quality products, advice, related content articles, and keep improving the site structure to better serve my users. If google continues to think spammy directories and link pages of others sites are more what users are looking for that's their problem.

I survived the sandbox and actually did quite well at times. If the sandbox served any purpose for me, it was to teach me that I could make it without google.

[normasp]

Like I said before, I can see the same on:
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99
I don't know if these DC were different on saturday but I know and I remember that before friday these DC's are different. Now I can see my site in its old place, like always. My site was dissappeared since update jagger1.. Now It seems that everything is like before jagger update..

PT: I read my post again and I remember the x files..

[taps]

normasp: If you see your site on these DCs you'll probably be back. These are jagger3-DCs (as occasionally mentioned before in this thread ;-) )

I'm back on these DCs too and waiting for these results to spread.

[edited by: taps at 2:24 pm (utc) on Nov. 7, 2005]

[Yippee]

Top of the morning folks,

Looks like the update is now live on G.com, or at least where we are at. 66.102.7.104 won the battle thankfully, however, as MC mentioned that there will be tweaking due to the anomalies in supplimentals. Those are still weak. Basically, we are coming up for power keywords, but very little for our deep informative pages (and we have several 100K in pages filled with content populated by users). My guess would be G is scrutinizing internal linking structures more and more, and seeing how internal pages are voting each other.

I am content in saying these are not pre-Jagger SERPs, although one can say they are. If you maintained your positions, it's not because G rolled back to pre-Jagger. Take notice that the fight to maintain your top positions is now against Authority sites' organic and deep pages (possibly supplimentals) for major 2 and 3 KW phrases you would consider important to you... Just an observation.

Anyway, looks like things are slowly going back to normal for us. Good luck to all and may the SERPs be with you.

[claus]

First update thread post this time around. Hope y'all have a nice time and that your rankings are as expected ;)

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Right this moment I'm seeing (or, at least I think I'm seeing) significantly improved results for product specific queries. Greater precision, that is. Live on google.com.

You know, the type of queries that would otherwise give you 10 pages of affiliate pages and e-shops before you got to the *real* home page of the producer/product, eg. the search [

BrandName ProductName XYZ1234-OO

]. It seems as if "the right page" (a page related to "BrandName") is now increasingly found on page one.

This is really great from a searcher POV, but it might not be so great from an affiliate POV.