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AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]
End the link with the domain or folder name followed by a trailing / at the end. >
I always do - unfortunately I am using an off the shelf cart package which utilises index.php a lot and has lots of links to it and virtually none to /. I've removed the ones I can but I am no php programmer which is why I spent £400 on shopping cart software. :)
I just don't know why this is an issue now, when G seemed to realise that / was the home page before this update.
Searching for unique snippets of my own text, I'm finding my pages right up top.
Below that, most scrapers / copycats are 'supplemental' and/or 'very similar .. omitted'
which requires an additional keystroke.
Some scraped pages don't show my stuff except in the cached version! Others vanished entirely.
I didn't find any hijackers either, all very welcome indications. -Larry
.7.104 and .9.104 still look different for me. I like .7.104
No huge difference but I will keep on voting for .7.104 as well.
In the same research you did, did you make any effort in trying to find out "which sites are ranking while they shouldn't"? I guess Google will better other SEs here.
Well done again, and having some marketing research background, I can guess how laborious the process must have been.
Dayo_UK was asking where he goes from here. Does anybody see any sign that the redirected pages are being - or will be - removed?
For the first time since Feb 2 my home page is 1st in search results for my company name on the default Google.com. Now I can remove name from my adwords campaign :)
Thank you GG.
IP: 64.233.161.147 Maryland, USA
ps. Is that my phone ringing? A new client calling perhaps? Yippieeee
I have noticed that Google is not able to tell the difference between IT jobs and jobs.
It gives the same result and IT jobs is not highlighted in the results.
Salon99, good post and appreciate your efforts.
I guess, in trying to combat spam, the filters used by Google one after another, have started compromising relevancy at some point and few discerning sites are being filtered away. This omission becomes noticable in some niche where there aren't many sites available to rank for a given search, while many relevant ones are filtered away. Quite obviously, some semi-relevant sites then have to come into the position of those relevant ones, resulting many complaining "I am not getting what I want"
In the same research you did, did you make any effort in trying to find out "which sites are ranking while they shouldn't"? I guess Google will better other SEs here.Well done again, and having some marketing research background, I can guess how laborious the process must have been.
Thank for the comments McMohan. Yes, it was a resource intensive study, but then again, there were almost 30 students involved, so it took less than a day.
Regarding identifying which sites were ranking but shouldn't: no, we didn't look at that. The reason was that this is the only aspect that Google actually seems to be interested in at present, based on comments by them here and elsewhere (primarily the MC blog). It is probably already sufficiently covered.
We focused exclusively on the question of which sites SHOULD be there, but were not. Key source inclusion is an important aspect of any search in terms of quality, but it is one that does not seem to be high on their list of priorities. Hence, it was instructive that GoogleGuy completely blanked the issue earlier in this thread.
Apart from this, had we not set such a strict scope, we would never have completed the exercise!
I just find it amazing that google wants to A)maintain age of a site over authority and B) let directory sites saturate the top results.
66.102.9.104 has some real poor old sites ranking high in it and a number of directory sites yet 66.102.7.104 had some how cleared a lot of this problem up.
If Google stick to 66.102.9.104 result i still think that this update will be virtually no different to how it was pre Jagger - it will have been a storm in a tea cup!
As for a blend? i cant see any blending of the positive factors in 66.102.7.104 into 66.102.9.104 looks more like the 66.102.9.104 are dominating the serps
Good luck all
Strange since some of the serps sets I've seen on various dc's over the past few weeks have been radically different and, in some cases, better.
I guess Google just didn't want to rock the boat right now.
Did you mean its a url only, or do you suspect spam hidden text things?
Reseller, Not spammy, no spam, little text, has a large image, little links, but it ranks extremely high.
Me too, I also found site in a keyword that I monitor. It appears in the first page. Its content is just a small picture, has a spammy domain, created last sept. 2005, and with less than 10 links with most of them originate from a forum.
Same as the above site, spammy or not spammy, both have similar elements and rank highly....this is the algo rewarding both these sites ..The guilty and the innocent ones.
It appears Jagger 3 is on the following DC's:
66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99
Both .9 and .7 produce results very similar to pre-Jagger serps.
On keywords I watch there really has been quite a shake-up.
More so on .9 than anything else.
I'm still undecided as to which SERPs I prefer!
They need to hurry up and roll with one now before the update hits a whole month in duration... hehe. Ok also to put me out of my misery waiting.
Both .9 and .7 produce results very similar to pre-Jagger serps.
I can't see anything similar beetwen .9 and .7, for me are completely different!
Your still solid on both of thos DBs. Looks like you'll come out fine.
However. Looking at your site I can see that it can be accessed via
www.yoursite.xy
and
yoursite.xy
So, most probably you've been hit by a dupe content penalty.
Fix your site that every call to the non www-version will be forwarded to the www.version.
Also make sure to use absolute links only.
For more information about dupe content do a search on WW [google.de].
After fixing your site it should return within the next two months -- early enough for next summer holiday season.
>a search term was identified and agreed for each topic
I think the pattern of searching these days is to do a basic search then increase the keywords if the serp has no relevant sites. In fact, we notice longer and longer search phrases being used as people become more educated in searching. I worry about what search term you used for each topic and whether the ones you selected are in fact common search terms. During this update we only ranked for so called 'popular search terms' but in reality got little traffic. We get about 2000 visits per day from short and obvious keyword phrases despite being in the top positions. Today, with rankings kicking in on long search phrases we are on course for 15000+ visits.
Your tests only really prove that Google may not be good at the search terms you selected. A good search engine will serve relevant results for a broad range of searches around a topic and this is where the test falls down. You may find that Google is much better at 4 or 5 word phrases which seems to be increasingly the way people search. The other problem is the profile of the people you used to choose the phrases, which must be restrictive. Lastly, when I am 'testing' google serps, I inevitably search in a different way to how I search if I am actually looking for a product to buy. For instance, I was looking for an outboard engine last night and found myself clicking an ebay link. If I had been 'testing' I would have seen that link and accused Google of being useless...... I bought a very good engine on ebay, thankyou Google.
It appears Jagger 3 is on the following DC's:66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.9.99
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
I can see my page!
sorry for url, I didn't read TOC and thank you for your advice
64.233.189.104
216.239.53.99
216.239.59.99
66.102.7.99
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
216.239.63.104
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.104
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.98
216.239.57.105
66.102.7.105
216.239.57.147
66.102.7.147
64.233.167.147
.9 shows up on only the 4 previously mentioned...
Anybody else got any better analysis?
JO
And according to Matt it should start spreading today or tomorrow.
Yes, we analys what the insiders(GG/MC) are saying!
I wouldn't change a thing until this update settles. You are solid in the 2 DBs that GG said would be the crux of this update. If so you will be fine. If not change it after the update is finished, otherwise with redirects you're apt to sandboxed.
Yes, I can say that I love 66.102.9.104!
normasp: Had you been hit by Sep 22nd?
You told him he could be lost for 2 months. Why lose 2 months of revenue if he comes out of this nice and solid at the top? Within 2 days he will know for sure.
66.102.9.104 - loves my site
66.102.7.104 - hates my site
Hope 66.102.9.104 will spread and 66.102.7.104 die.
Good luck to everyone.
