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Update Saga. Part 5

         

Brett_Tabke

8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

Gimp

5:57 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The Flux - Our site publishes news and commentary so we see pages come up on many odd search strings. But for the most part we see a pattern as to what is popular. That shifts with time but one can generally see certain pages that are very popular.

During this Jagger change pages returned have fit no pattern. Today we continue to see the same thing. Addresses of pages deleted ages ago are up. The regular pattern of pages searched is non existent. Things look almost random.

It appears that the flux continues. And as such it would appear that we have no idea as to where we will ultimately end up. So wait we must.

Flux, of course, is good term to use especially in the sense that it relates to an uncontrolled emptying of the bowels.

2by4

6:00 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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LegalAlien, I wasn't talking to only you, it was a more general observation - "statement of their failure"

If you haven't noticed, all update threads are filled with dire warnings of google failing, and of course google has not failed. That's what I'm talking about.

That's not an opinion, it's an empirical observation, I read the posts, and I look at google market share. Try to read what I said and not assume it's all talking about you. Or don't, makes no difference to me.

You can think what you want, as you noted, anyone is entitled to an opinion. But don't mistake your opinion about how you would like things to be with how things are.

I'm not going to get into details about how far you are wrong about New York Times being liable for misreporting of facts, it would violate TOS. Only in very limited cases is this true, lets leave it at that, where they misreport in a malicious way about an individual or corporate entity who has access to a good attorney. Any larger misreporting is handled by at best an apology for getting the story wrong, and at worst... well, again, I can't go there due to TOS.

If I remember right, Google has also been forced by legal action to remove certain things that fall into a similar area.

And besides, you really seem to be confused about this: why is any site deserving of any position in an absolute sense? Where do you get this idea from? What algorithm did you use to determine that a certain site had a right to a certain serp position? Can you show it to me? Is it published anywhere? Why does noone have access to this superior method? Would you be kind enough to publish it so we can all see it?

How can moving site a from position x to position y be in any way shape or form be considered in the same league as libel? It is not a misreporting of fact, it's just deciding that site b is a better fit, or that site a is no longer a good fit, for whatever reason. And it's not even that specific, it's just site a satisfying some algo component, or not, and site b satisfying it.

If you don't like this situation, as I noted, feel free to actually work to change it by lobbying for a public search engine that would replace these private for profit ones. That would be a much better use of your time if you want actual change in this arena.

Anyway, back to work, can't argue about stuff that has no affect on anything in the real world.

[edited by: 2by4 at 6:03 am (utc) on Nov. 11, 2005]

reseller

6:02 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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LegalAlien

>>Morning reseller (I guess you should be up about now),<<

Good morning to you too :-)

What a great day! Isn't it Wonderful that Jagger3 is winding down and life is back to normal :-)

2by4

6:06 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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reseller, I have to say, how do you maintain such cheer, especially in the morning? It's a mystery to me, but keep it up, it's refreshing, lol...

CainIV

6:10 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The higher the PR of the page that has linked to you the more positive weight it will have. Remember it's the page that counts, not the whole site. Most links type pages don't have nearly the PR that the homepage of a site has.

Not entirely true. The higher intermal Google Pagerank value associated with the weight of the page to you is what yields results. Looking at the green bar to try and weigh what positive effect a given page has linking to your site is worthless as:

PR is passed on arbitrarily, and is no longer valid in coordiantion with Googles internal Pagerank algo. This means any site can pass pr to almost any other site, regardless of how relative the two are.

zimba

6:30 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Any educated guesses as to when *9* will start to move through all DC's? It really does seem to be taking sometime to pass through. Just how many days of flux could there possibly be?

ramachandra

6:31 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Seeing some different SERPs on DC 64.233.179.99

CrackSeo

6:35 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<<What a great day! Isn't it Wonderful that Jagger3 is winding down and life is back to normal :-) >>

Reseller does this mean the flux is over now?

Does anyone see flux is still going on? I was still in a hope that the spammy sites will get removed and my sites will come back :(. My traffic is Zero Now.

One of my sites Cache is updated to 9th Nov, but rest of them still have cached date Oct 15th.

Kindly suggest.

GoogleGuy

6:38 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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zimba, it will remain at *9* for a few more days at least (over the weekend at least, I expect) while people here make sure that the datacenter is solid. But I believe it will spread starting next week.

zimba

6:39 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From what I can see is results are different on *9* still and havent passed through to all DC's. Must still be in flux, for how much longer I have no idea. Anyone heard any time frames from G
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