Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Over and done with?
All done all through?
Now webmaster has the most wierd problems and all on google, never a issue on any other SE, a little 302 problem was on yahoo, but was fixed in a month.
Or else what, reseller? Are you going to stop telling GG what a wonderful guy he is? You can keep singing GG praises and keep kidding yourself that this is a good update, but the fact is the majority of people here appear to be far worse off than they were 2 months ago.
You keep telling GG and MC how great they are, and keep believing that they care. Google will keep pushing junk to the top of the serps, and you can post your spam reports and continue to believe you're part of the update process. With anywhere up to 266 million results for our key search terms, a few people posting reports is really going to make a difference, right?
It's supposed to be acceptable for clean sites with good content to be sent to never-never land for 2 months, after long-term top-10 positions because Google is attempting to improve its results, while at the same time many junk sites enjoy prime listings during this critical pre-Christmas run-up? 2 months! 2 months, for goodness sake!
I've seen it argued here in the past that Google has no responsibility to anyone, but come on! With some 65 percent of the entire world using Google to find what it's looking for, this is serious power. Surely with so much power comes a certain amount of responsibility?
Google says you shouldn’t do this and you shouldn’t do that, so the people here listen and follow. What happens? They disappear for 2 months, while the abundance of do this/do that sites remain in prime positions!
Dayo-UK has been just as active as you in this forum, has made many relevant and beneficial comments, and would serve as a prime example as to how little it helps to be an active part of the update process.
Agree or disagree, that's up to you. We're all friends here, and everyone deserves their say!
I understand completely. The trouble with tech issues is that they usually don't often touch the general public's world. However, this issue does directly effect every business that was sucked into to idea of 'build a website and sell to the world'. This statement should now be re-worded 'Build a website and get 2 or 3 hits per day from search engine spiders that will ignore you because you don't have enough money to pay for your listings'.
I only build sites for small companies and I've watched them struggle to find a niche and to nervously build their company on the back of something as fragile as a Google listing. As time goes on and they have a few enquiries / sales per day they become confident that they are doing things right. Then WALLOP! They're booted of an index for some kind of link swapping offence. They don't know what that means & until we, the web marketeers of the world understand it, we can't fix it.
With hindsight, you're right ... this probably wouldn't go down too well in a press release. But I still think that when it hits the tax department, companies like these putting in losses when they were looking so good last year ... the S will certainly hit the F.
All the Best ;-)
Very cool response. I think it's time that the Gods heard how rendundant they've become. :-0
If they notice that their revenue drops or they have to spend money on PR because of the negative impact they have had, then they measure things that they think are contributing to this situation.
A google user group that was prepared to write articles and make press releases about the probably unintended damage that google is doing to a particular interest group would get their very focussed attention.
The problem at the moment is that google are both defendent and the jury. Their dominant position in the market means that a huge proportion of the business around the entire world see their business results change as a result of some unidentified person somewhere in the bowels of google tweaking something. Whether the tweaking was done with the intention of putting Sam's Internet Pizza shop in downtown Singapore out of business or not doesn't make any difference to Sam - he is still bankrupt.
Google has rapidly aged into one of those old world companies that is so pleased with itself that it has forgotten to talk to the people on whom it's business depends. I thought that the move by GG and MC to do some communication was an indication that they had woken up. But when the communication stops because they don't like what they hear, or because they have no intention of doing anything about it, then it is hard not to feel that it was not an honest move. If they were prepared to admit that there had been collatoral damage, and make it look like they were doing something about it, I would see that as a good sign. Unfortunately what I see is the opposite.
just a quicky then ill be off.
when our listings dissapeared at the start of this week i came on here and found out about this update thing.
i did some research and found articles saying not to panic, the dust has yet to settle, listings can come back etc etc.
are we still in the dont panic stage? or is it a case of panic everyone, your listings are gone for good?
I thought that the move by GG and MC to do some communication was an indication that they had woken up.
We do not know GG intentions. So even if he is trying to do his best and is a nice guy, he is one employee, probably having a gagging contract. Maybe individual G employees don't yet see themselves what is going on and the power they have and the damage they can cause. For someone tweaking on that algorithm it's a line on the screen. For Joe's pizza it's bankruptcy, suicide or divorce. For someone else a Rolls Royce. With these updates coming so often it's really difficult now to prepare and build a reserve to compensate for Google Quakes.
Only kidding he's probably got our best interests at heart ...
For Joe's pizza it's bankruptcy, suicide or divorce.
geez...talk about hypebole...
Frankly, if "Joe" has a business that cannot exist without free traffic from google, then Joe's business deserves what it gets.
Jagger 3 looks good to me. We're not at the top where we were, but alot of the spam is gone, and we're slowly moving up as more epinions/dealtime/amazon/bizrate and other review site clones get dropped. There still some work to do, but definitely an improvement.
FYI - Last year at this time our site was still in the sandbox, and (miracle of miracles) we were still able to turn a strong profit despite no google traffic.
Imagine that.
