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See that is the thing - I would normally agree with this - eg if you have your non-www homepage listed (assuming you are on the www) then you have a very very high chance of a Canonical url problem.
However, g1smd - Google can fix this without deleting this entry - eg just ignoring it and picking the correct canonical url.
Dont know why I am defending Google - as they have not fixed my canonical url problem yet :/ - but it might still be in development.
My real test for the problem is site:www.domain.com www.domain.com (or any other search where the homepage should be first within a site search - eg like the Mirago example - this is not fixed for the sites with the problem - and the Jagger3 DCs have done nothing to change this. I have sites where the non-www entry appears to have gone - but the homepage does still not rank for these types of searches. EG Mirago again - search on mirago.co.uk - G looks like it understand the that this is www.mirago.co.uk - but still no rank within an own site search - why Google? why?and why cant we get feedback on this - dont you want to fix it? - it just seems all one way) Sorry getting frustrated
But surely it is not a big step to get from correct site ordering - to correct picking of the Canonical url.(Yes, I know not all sites are ordered correctly - yet)
Sigh - I was encouraged the other day too :(
[edited by: Dayo_UK at 2:00 pm (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]
where domain is the domain name you registered without any subdomain added
site:example.com -www
would be an example.
[edited by: theBear at 2:16 pm (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]
for example, in 7 you rank 20 and in 9, you rank 40. Do you think that the blending will put you in rank 30?
Unfortunatelynot for me.
None of my sites appear in 7, back on good form on 9.
But there is another problem for site:example.com
There is also non-www, but not as supplemental result.
same as all the other DC's buried, are you recovering?
I'm sitting back and doing nothing for a few weeks just to let the dust settle plus after looking at the serps where I used to rank they bleak and I struggle to see how G will leave them like that, so I'm kicking some old sites back info life and "trying" to rebuild my vanished income - depressing
Sorry, there was a discussion of the Age of sites affecting the 7 and 9 DCs differently. I thought my Taj comment might be a possible confirmation of this.
I assure you, I am serious and certainly don't want to waste even a couple of seconds of anyone's time.
William
I assure you, I am serious and certainly don't want to waste even a couple of seconds of anyone's time.
Whatever happened to free speech? This forum is for topics related to Part 3 Jagger Update, and people stating if their site is going up or down, is relative to that. We are not here to be judged.
It may well be a perfect example of a page or site where the content may rarely change yet may have very good content for the user.
Whilst some of us here have been through all this before - others have not.
More eyes = more experiences = more postings = more sharing = more analysis = more learning.
Be interested to know the age of the site.
Be interested to know the age of the site.The domain was put online in early 2000. An initial version of the site, based solely on QuickTime was online in Aug 2000.
We did a re-design, and hired a company to do a Flash version of the site, which was completed (more or less) in 2002.
After Jagger1, I broke out all the Flash-based content into additional HTML-only pages, so the content could be crawled. This consisted of about 50 pages with text and pictures included.
So, I guess it's hard to say just how old the site is, since it has been changing. It does not look like the HTML-only content pages have been crawled very much yet...
I haven't done a great deal of analysis yet, as I'd prefer to wait until things get solid. But my first impressions are that on 66.102.9.104 in particular it seems to be the case.
In my market one of the leaders has a two word domain name not related at all to keywords. For years it choose it's domain name for text links. Previously this seemed to hurt the site in the serps. It's moved up a good deal on 66.102.9.104
Also, the famous "failure" search does NOT yield the Bush bio on 66.102.9.104 (oddly Carter is number 3..?) but still does on 66.102.7.104 yet the previous second result of the liberal filmmaker is not 2nd on either as it was before.
SO overall inbound link text devalued some, more so on 66.102.9.104 I would guess at this point.
[edited by: WebPixie at 3:22 pm (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]
site:domain.com -www gives me 87 results without the www
all are supplemental except the homepage but is url only.
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66.102.9.104:
site:domain.com -www gives me 29 results without the www
all are supplemental except the homepage but is url only with a snippet and no cach.
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301 in place since May
I never see the non www versions of my pages in the serps for keyword searches so I assume I am not a victim of canonical. In fact I never saw the non www versions prior to doing a 301 last May. I did the 301 just as an extra measure of security.
66.102.7.104 provides the better results, hovever it just does not look like PR has been added to the mix as of yet. I am hoping that this will be the order for the next few days or weeks:
66.102.7.104 +66.102.9.104 blend +more crawl data +PR calculations =final results
jamsy..I'd go with Inbound Links being devalued if links come from dubious sources/off content sources. This was mentioned earlier in one of these threads but the postings seemed to have moved back into DC watching.
site:domain.com -www gives me 29 results without the www
all are supplemental except the homepage but is url only with a snippet and no cach.
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The snippet and title from my home page are very old so this must be a version back from early this year
Strange. Not what I'm seeing on the two DCs.
[66.102.9.104...]
and
[66.102.7.104...]
Results 1-4 are the same. Rest of the results are shuffled a bit.
102.7 includes an amusing reference to google maps.
A comment about caveman's post about. I'm seeing a fair amount of changes the entries for say "widget reviews" and "widget review". Again, I'm not too sure if much progress has been made in some of these areas.
I'd personally like to see what happens once Google resumes its daily crawl / update.
mind you #1 and #5 not bad really if those DC's are itYes, absolutely! I always feel Very Lucky if we are above the fold.
However (moan) G referral rate is down by 50%, and AdSense revenues have gone down for us by over 30% since the drop from #1 to #5.
I believe that the "I'm feeling lucky" button (opens #1 slot) is pressed more often than we might think, without many people using more care.
The #1 slot now is a casino; not what schools kids expect, etc!
#2 is a blues singer
#3 and #4 are pretty thin on content.
We could do better.
I agree. Will be a lot easier to figure things out once the results settle and normal crawl starts back.
"Strange. Not what I'm seeing on the two DCs."
I ran the "miserable failure" search first and got what you saw. Then tried just "failure" figuring a one word match would be a better test and saw new results. Pre-jagger "failure" had bush/moore 1/2 also.
I love the adsense link to google blog's explanation of the results. Even on the new results which don't have Bush number one.
:::edit to figure out how to say google - blog without setting off the filter:::
[edited by: WebPixie at 4:03 pm (utc) on Nov. 6, 2005]
I'm no school kid, but if I type in that search term, chances are I'm looking for the casino or the blues singer. But good luck to you. :)
66.102.7.104 = Research/Library/HowToDoStuff
66.102.9.104 = eCommerce/Shopping/Commercial
66.102.11.104 = Neutral/Median
Y! is doing something along those lines in thier beta SE Mindset.
On 66.102.7.104 it is now in #6
on 66.102.9.104 it has just poped up to #7, but a few minutes ago was not in the top 10.
"click here" still brings up the adobe reader download page as #1 on both DCs.
I sure hope I get some google traffic back when this is all over. I've had only one referal from google since this started, and it was an invalid url.
I am using this to fix my canonical problems. Is it good?
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^www\.domain\.com [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ [domain.com...] [L,R=301]
Should I use other kind or redirect?
Thank you.
I know that this mightbe very obvious by now. As I mentioned in my previous post, one of the main differences I see between 66.102.9.104 and 66.102.7.104 is the position of the homepage when run command site:
Using WebmasterWorld as example:
Homepage on top of the listing
[66.102.9.104...]
No homepage at top
[66.102.7.104...]
Its therefore I´m wondering how will the final results look like if GG & Co. blend those two DCs?
