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I was hit hard by the Dec 7th change and I know several others too. I'd like to get some feedback from those affected hopefully track down what our sites have in common so we can hopefully do something about it. Here's what I believe to be the relevant stats about my site. Please post some stats about yours and whether or not you were affected (positive or negative) by this change.
Type of Site: credit cards
Age: 2.5 years
Inbound Links:
- 50% from syndicating articles
- 20% bought
- 10% from link directories
- 20% "natural"
Outbound Links: Only one, but ROS exchange with an Australian credit card site
Has outbound affiliate links: Yes
Does url re-writing: Yes
Sub-Domains: One for a forum
Rank before: 1-5 for primary keywords
Rank after: 18 - not found for primary keywords
[edited by: tedster at 3:34 am (utc) on Dec. 14, 2006]
Maybe they are them who hurt my rankings, Google says that Supplemental Results doesn't hurt ranking, but maybe it's the case if you have a lot of them.
I have 6600 pages index on Google, nearly 4000 of them are Supplemental Result.
The date I lost my rankings I have 14000 pages on Google index (13000 of them were supplemental results and I delete a lot of them).
Have you a lot of supplemental result pages on your website where you lost your rankings?
Read all my postings in the 7 / 15 Dec. threads, maybe it will explain or help you.
Further exclude all responsible folders and pages - which are listet under site: - by the robots.txt.
The most terrible measure from google is, the need to utilize these old dump for the actual ranking.
I am using it for trying to remove the 4000 SP that are actualy in the index.
But Google don't give me a full list of pages, so it's difficult to remove them without using wildcards in the robots.txt. But using wildcards in the robots.txt give me an error when I submit in in this tool :(
I want to remove all pages like this :
1) aaaa,bbbb*
2) *-aa.html
I have try this in robots.txt :
User-agent: Googlebot
Disallow: /*aaaa,bbbb
Disallow: /*-aa.html
But that give me an error :
URLs cannot have wild cards in them (e.g. "*"). The following line contains a wild card:
DISALLOW /*aaaa,bbbb
Any idee how I can do this with robots.txt without the full list of urls?
Thanks.
Sorry, no idea for the robots.txt file. Maybe my programmer tomorrow.
I'm luky, at the moment when I look for the site command on my domain Google give me a new list of 1000 urls on SP before urls whose are not in SP. I've add all of them on consoleurl, it's time to wait 5 days now...
Today my rankings on www.mydomain.com are back on all datacenters.
Others positions are not back yet, please google go in this way!
I need to use consoleurl for delete SP pages or wait 6 months to 1 year.
I've use consoleurl for 1000 of them two days ago.
Now I'm waiting :)
One of my core sites, 10 yrs old and ranked #1 for many keywords and authority articles, has completely disappeared in the results.
About 85% of the pages are still indexed yet cannot be found no matter how deep I go yet Alibaba garbage is all over the place!
And I'm not the only one in my niche that has been assassinated, way to go G...
- I modified about 100 pages to include a Copyright designation on
each of these pages;
- I modified the <LASTMOD> date in my SITEMAP for all effected
pages, accordingly;
- Most, but not all, of the effected pages have a Sitemap
<CHANGEFREQ) of "Monthly", and had not been updated for about
4 months or so.
I'm still in Google's index, but rankings are no where to be found. I hope that this is just a burp!
About 85% of the pages are still indexed yet cannot be found no matter how deep I go yet Alibaba garbage is all over the place!
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I have been totally wiped out last night before I had no problems. My site is 10 years old with lost of rank #1 keywords.
Last night site: was listing loads of supplemental then the usual strong pages at end of listings.
This morning still loads of supplemental and the index page is last listing and has no cache options just similar pages option.
Anyone else see similar since 20/12/06
I have been totally wiped out last night before I had no problems. My site is 10 years old with lost of rank #1 keywords.
Last night site: was listing loads of supplemental then the usual strong pages at end of listings.
This morning still loads of supplemental and the index page is last listing and has no cache options just similar pages option.Anyone else see similar since 20/12/06
Mine are reappearing now.
Let's keep our fingers crossed that this is what we are experiencing.
A couple of weeks ago, I started seeing the sites below me (I was #4 then) go missing one by one and then coming back.
Last week, it was my turn to go missing, then I came back at #9, and slowly up to #2 now.
Today, I noticed the #1 site go MIA.
Anyone notice roughly the same sequence?
Honestly, I don't mean to fret, but my site is still penalized and I'm beginning to get bored with the situation.
Normally I send my best wishes for the new year to Google, along with some unsolicited advice, but right now my activities are constrained to the bare necessities of life: eating, sleeping, pondering over Google penalties.
May a sea of tears fill Mountain Valley and some people get wet.
Thank you.
I notice the sites seem to be going missing from #10 upwards.
It's a complete and utter mess in my niche, practically all the authority sites have gone except for my main directory site which seems to be about 50% there, otherwise it's all Craigs List, Alibaba and weird directory sites I never knew existed.
Not a good day for anyone wanting to do any serious research for my niche products with Google...they'd better sort it soon otherwise Joe Public will soon switch search providers.
It's a complete and utter mess in my niche
That's one way of putting it. For me, Google is verging on worthless on my topic.
My site was chopped at the start of the month. It won't come back as I have since blocked them from crawling to stop the affront of taking our bandwidth for the the privilege of insulting us.
Today the results changed again though, and its gone even worse. Now Wikipedia 'stubs' rule the roost. They seem to be going into self destruct.
Anyone's Yahoo referrals outnumbering their Google referrals?
Here is an example on how to do it! This will save you from the ups & downs, ins & outs and frustration caused by G!
User-agent: Googlebot
Disallow: /
Way to go Pamela2 for leading the way!
Back to Watching
WW_Watcher
Reading these forums just makes me wonder how anyone who needs Google traffic for a living can sleep at night. I reckon I got chopped because some blogs linked to me all at once in their navigation bars. But reading threads on here, people seem to have got hit for everything from adding too much content on one go, to techie stuff like re-directs.
If that is how Google decides how to list sites, they have an almighty problem. Think of all the great sites that will have gone walkies, so called 'collateral damage'.
Fortunately it is no longer a problem of mine. Someone in Google just seems to be going OTT and shooting themselves in the foot. It's a real pity.
[edited by: Pamela2 at 5:09 pm (utc) on Dec. 21, 2006]
On another board, there is rumor that Google may have started backing out of their Thanksgiving update, and this is what is causing all the gyrations and disappearing acts.
Looks more like middle 3rd week in October reversal on my site.
User-agent: Googlebot
Disallow: /
Besides emotional backlash, it's probably good to start to have some sites in ones portfolio like this. Equally some that exclude Yahoo and so on.
WW_Watcher but, but that would hurt Google's feelings.
I just think you want the traffic they may be giving up by doing that.
As near as I can tell there has been a ton of "stuff" getting "tweaked".
Note to new members the words inside the " " are highly technical terms.
The actual meaning is more like things are always changing and we haven't got a clue as to what or why.
In other words YMM^HWV
OK, You caught me, I could not resist, with all the panic I see & everyone jumping on wagons for every theory that is tossed out there & making dramatic changes to their sites, I thought that If Pamela2 would do something like that, others might follow, so I put a wagon out there for them to jump on.
If they happen to be in my niche, all the better, cause I want the G traffic.
My Momma always told me (whe she was alive)
"Do Not Cut Your Nose To Spite Your Face"
MattG3, AGREED, but only if that is really what you want to do, possibly to stop duplicate content issues, or to have separate websites for each engines, or both of those reasons.
Back to Watching!
WW_Watcher
Edited to add:
Pamela2, I should not have been so insensitive, do not give up so easily, it is a race with no start, middle, or end, do not quit as soon as you begin. If you want to slow G-Bot down, do it in the webmaster console, do not intentionally cut off the potentially largest free source of traffic out there today, just because it is on & off. You referred to it as being a Zero, Or Hero, What do you want to consider yourself, if you do not get in the race, you can never win, and you will forever be Zero.
[edited by: WW_Watcher at 9:22 pm (utc) on Dec. 21, 2006]
or to have separate websites for each engines, or both of those reasons.
Just to diversify. Sadly I was so stoopid to be on the G drug only until now..
