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Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

         

jretzer

5:33 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

MHes

6:45 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So everyone is reporting sites if they are keyword stuffing, hidden text, massive anchor link backlink spam, network interlinking...

Oh well, thank goodness no one is actually bothering to look and see if the site is actually quite good... we don't want to confuse the witch hunt by adding 'quality or relevance'.

MHes

6:53 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>Yes, it is the fault of the company doing the hiring, legally, morally...

So if you are able to judge these things, why employ an seo? Employers of seo firms do not know anything about seo.... thats why they need help.

Is it not equally immoral to ban an innocent business because of an innocent mistake? Far better that Google gets its act together and ignores spam rather than penalise it.

erny

6:54 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



"So everyone is reporting sites if they are keyword stuffing, hidden text, massive anchor link backlink spam, network interlinking...
Oh well, thank goodness no one is actually bothering to look and see if the site is actually quite good... we don't want to confuse the witch hunt by adding 'quality or relevance'."
If the site was good why they had to use all of the above scam?

Tinus

6:55 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When everybody reports everybody above their position in the SERPS, ofcourse only in a fair and honest way, in the end we are back where we started from.

Are you really sure there is nothing blackish hat SEO used on your site a competitor can't find? Maybe the end result will be that only big compagnies with strong brands, who don't care about position in Google reach the top of the SERPS totally (as they possibly should be).

[edited by: Tinus at 7:00 pm (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]

WebFusion

6:56 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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...and other text link buyers (when this is the only reason why they got ranked) should be reported, leave the rest alone and accept being defeated.

Please let us know when google starts penalizing sites for the links pointing to them, and I'll go by a few dozen site-wide links to my competitors right away.

Google CANNOT (or definitely should not) penalize a site on the basis of inbound links. If that is ever proven to occur, rest assured there will be "hired guns" out there willing to setup damaging link campaigns to your competitors for profit.

What about sites that get unsolicicted inbound links from (what can be considered) off-topic sites? We justr had one of our articles wuoted and linked to from motley fool, despite the fact that our site has absolutely nothing to do with business or personal finance. Should our site be penalized because of it?

The only solution to that would be to simply ignore any benefit the inbound links would bring.

Ledfish

6:58 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I watched your post for a while MHes and not often do I agree, but I think you thought process of ignoring spam and ranking based on the legitimate factors really has something to it.

I think if I were looking to build an innovative new search engine, I would seriously consider your approach.

foxtunes

7:02 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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".....66.102.9.99 - Doesn't solve all our problems but defintely an improvement. Is it spreading....."

I think so, but the results on 66.102.7.99 look cleaner to me.

Yippee

7:08 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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G sure knows how to round us all up nice and tight. Just like the morbid thought of how funerals bring relatives together. In a subtle way, our voice collectively seems to control the industry and what G is doing, pre and post Jagger, bourbon, Allegra, and Florida. And we all should know that a man's biggest enemy is his mouth. We do more damage to ourselves than anyone here can imagine. I personally feel like I am forced to be a guinea pig on a running wheel, and my livelihood is counting on how fast can I spin that sucker. This isn't a game man.

Why is it that we can't come together and through "party politics" and give G, Y, & M the impression of what WE the webmasters and content providers want to happen... It's a twisted ideology and it's politics at its best, but the truth of the matter is that without our content, systems, and structures, G or any SE would cease to exist. Are we that uncontrollable to the point G sees us as a bunch of uncouth animals? Something just isn't right... I think it's time for a unified webmaster front across the entire Internet.

Ancient Ethiopian Proverb: As the lordth passeth, the wise peasant gracefully bows and silently farts.

[edited by: Yippee at 7:13 pm (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]

joeduck

7:12 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google CANNOT (or definitely should not) penalize a site on the basis of inbound links

Many think they do, creating ranking problems for sites that are scraped extensively. I think Jagger is part of their solution to this.

The witch hunt theme is interesting. Basically Google is now using the community to police itself/report violators/competitors.

I see good and bad in this, but most importantly I see Google acknowledging that human editors are needed.

I guess Google can't afford to hire editors since the company is having so much trouble making money these days.

g1smd

7:13 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Is there a way to fix Canonical problem on your self? <<
>> I just did a site:domain.com -www and I see that my home page is listed. <<

For a site using www.domain.com for the content, it is normal for the single domain.com entry to appear as a URL-only listing, simply because it exists. I wouldn't worry about it - unless the entry also has a title and description too. If there is a title and description then you really do have a problem.

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