Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

[jretzer]

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

[McMohan]

jaffstar, your analysis gives way to one more interesting question IMO. Is it necessarily one keyword appearing in high % of anchors? or different keywords, which are money keywords appearing in a high % of anchors?

[reseller]

Hi Folks

A sunny great day with much of informative update Jagger feedback from GoogleGuy. And once again.. thanks GG for being with us.

And wish to mention that Matt has published on his blog more about Update Jagger. Thanks Matt.

Jagger 2 Update Info
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Good luck to all.

[Ankhenaton]

Hmm this keyword stuff. Our site has the keyword in it's name and natural over 7 years of linking to that site usually involves the keyword also in anchor text as people also always found info about the subject on that site. I can't yet detect any difference. Also MSN and Yahoo puts me first for that subject.

Maybe I don't really understand that % thing you mentioned.

[Ankhenaton]

Jagger 2 Update Info
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"Interesting" is the rumanian spammer comment below on the blogg ... like a bad comment on the situation .. :\ complete with adsense.. That is about as cheeky [stupid] as you can get. :\

OT:
66.102.9.104

can't see much difference. Traffic dropped slightly though yesterday.

[sullen]

I don't usually post on these threads but this update seems very strange to me.

I'm seeing sites that have huge indiscrimate link swap campaigns still at the top (despite very high % of specific anchor text), and yet several sites with smaller and more select link swap campaigns heavily penalised: one site in particular is now below the supplemental results for a previously strong keyword.

[MHes]

Jaffstar > I am noticing that sites with a high percentages anchor text “keyword” in their back links, above a certain % are getting excluded in this update

Difficult to be sure. Have you really checked all back links via alltheweb or an engine that shows them, for a good sample of sites? Many sites, like ours, has 2000+ 'links in' with most being a brandname, however we are being hit for 3 word competitive phrases which do not contain the brand in anchor or domain name. Some searches we do well, many we don't, resulting in a 90% loss of traffic.... 15k uniques to 1.5k per day from google.

I don't think we would fit a high % anchor text profile and we are missing from searches containing hundreds of different keywords.

[reseller]

GoogleGuy & Matt Cutts Feedback of 26th October 2005 regarding Update Jagger ..and more

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Here are todays posts of our kind fellow member GoogleGuy. I have compiled them (together with my post refering to Matt´s "Jagger 2 update info" on his blog) for the benefit of further discussion and future reference.

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msg #:307 8:41 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

McMohan, good eyes in spotting some changes at 66.102.9.104. I expect Jagger2 to start at 66.102.9.x. It will probably stay at 1-2 data centers for the next several days rather than spreading quickly. But that data center shows the direction that things will be moving in (bear in mind that things are fluxing, and Jagger3 will cause flux as well).

Matt Cutts posted how to send feedback on Jagger1 at [mattcutts.com...]

If you're looking at 66.102.9.x and have new feedback on what you see there (whether it be spam or just indexing related), please use the same mechanism as before, except use the keyword Jagger2. I believe that our webspam team has taken a first pass through the Jagger1 feedback and acted on a majority of the spam reports. The quality team may wait until Jagger3 is visible somewhere before delving into the non-spam index feedback.

If things stay on the same schedule (which I can't promise, but I'll keep you posted if I learn more), Jagger3 might be visible at one data center next week. Folks should have several weeks to give us feedback on Jagger3 as it gradually becomes more visible at more data centers.

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msg #:313 8:57 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Happy to try to help, reseller. If I find out more of use, I'll let you know.

Dayo_UK, the optimistic part of me wants to say mid next week. But I've learned not to make promises. :)

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msg #:321 9:08 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Dayo_UK, yes, sometimes it can mean flux within a data center. It's a bit involved, so I'll leave it at a high level. :)

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msg #:324 9:15 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

McMohan, if you see spam, I'd report it now with jagger2. If it's canonicalization or ranking or supplemental, I might hold off to see how jagger3 looks for you.

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msg #:328 9:22 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

steveb, I think I know the spam sites that you're talking about. Folks here enjoyed looking into those. It's always interesting to see how the pendulum moves between some of the shortcuts that people try.

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msg #:332 9:25 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

zeus, that doesn't surprise me. I think we decided to do a re-export of PageRank so that msn.com wouldn't worry that should have more green pixels; I wouldn't be surprised if a minor refresh of backlinks was included in that re-export.

I'm not 188% sure that's what happened, but I noticed that www.msn.com returns a PR9-ish now, so I'm extrapolating my guesses here. Your comment matches what I would expect to see if that happened.

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msg #:338 9:37 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

normasp, there's a way to tell us about the hidden text. Just do a spam report (search on Google) and use the keyword jagger2.

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msg #:340 9:38 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Hey all, I'm heading to bed--getting close to 3am my time, and they still expect to see me at work tomorrow. :)

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msg #:342 9:41 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

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msg #:352 10:31 am on Oct 26, 2005 (utc 0)

Hi Folks

A sunny great day with much of informative update Jagger feedback from GoogleGuy. And once again.. thanks GG for being with us.

And wish to mention that Matt has published on his blog more about Update Jagger. Thanks Matt.

Jagger 2 Update Info
[mattcutts.com...]

Good luck to all.

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And once again.. thanks Brett & Co for bringing us back to WebmasterWorld home.

[edited by: reseller at 11:06 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]

[anttiv]

GG, can I expect a return of a site that dropped nowhere on September 22 and has not moved up since then? The Google team checked my site 2 weeks ago and said it wasn't penalized.

Whatever I search for (domain name in brackets, unique title etc.) my site is last just above the "repeat the search with the omitted results included" link. Low PR link sites that have a link to my site rank above me. The site is 9 months old so it's a bit late for a sandbox.

[Dayo_UK]

Lol - Reseller - they were only on the last couple of pages - I would have thought most people would have been able to find them ;)

I guess for a lot of us stage 3 is where it is all going to happen.

Afterall GG says for ranking problems then wait until after stage 3 before sending reports etc.

Spam feedback is what is required now - so I assume that most of the spam filters are being put in place on 66.102.9.*

So at the moment dont look for what is not there and should be - but look at what is there but shouldn't.

[stevexyz]

I have been going through 66.102.9.104 and am finding sites ranking for Australia and New Zealand - now I am currently located in New Zealand. Is it possible that some sort of GEO-Targetting is taking place?