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Unless you are a complete mallethead GoogleGuy's posts over the years have contained innumberable tips and concepts that should have been very helpful in a very direct, specific, concrete way.
Is google for real?
They are a joke
steveb, you are pathetic, go and kiss his _ss, same thing! IMO!
the _ss got your tongue? LOL
Just keep in mind that some stuff is very hard to do, but some stuff is very easy to do. The easy stuff is probably what we are looking at.
Lots of it is wishful thinking on g's part, but some of it isn't, and some of it I recognize from what I've seen so far, it looks and feels very familiar.
[edited by: 2by4 at 3:00 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
Jagger, smugger call it what you’d like, it looks like a one miserable search engine that has lost the plot slowly but surly sinking in it’s own weird and bug riddled algo.
The consequences of this so called “update” (algo gone wiled) are far reaching. A real knockout for millions of good quality sites. Keep up the great work poogle. The world’s webmaster communities are with you, NOT.
Keep misguiding us, keep abusing us....keep shooting your own foot. Whatever support you had from us, it is slowly but surly melting away.
[edited by: Yippee at 3:23 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
The only thing that G__gle cares about is making the money terms impossible to get good rank, therefore sparking more PPC, with a stock price like that, how can they sustain any other way than pay services?
First of all it is annoying that you intentionally leave out the "o"s in google.
They don't care about any thing but the mighty $$$, plain and simple, if you people don't see this, you are blind!
They are a company. Their objective is to make money. If you think that is their ONLY goal, however, then you are likely both ignorant and naive.
Why else would they make the money terms hard to get?
Who says you deserve to get them? Once again we must deal with hubris where there might be 100s of thousand or even million pages on a particular subject and people feel their little page is worthy of being in the top 10. Why do you think your page deserves a top ranking above and beyond the thousands of other competitive pages? Google has many factors to deal with and the whole thing is complex. Who says they are making the money terms hard to get? The money terms are hard to get because lots of other people are also competing for them.
If your site is still ranked good, don't worry, it won't be shortly!
Yes. Some more excellent logic. All sites will soon be ranked low. It makes perfect sense in a zero-sum game. Impossible of course, but perfect sense.
All in my opinion of course!
But of course.
[edited by: Yippee at 3:35 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
if i ad the legs i could do "slim" in tiffanys..
really guv ..i could
If google wanted to make a serious dent in spam or the motivation for spam, they would eliminate Adsense!
Googles Adsense program created a huge motivation for spamming the search engines for top placement, it created a huge motivation for SEO competitiveness and it created a huge motivation for people to create websites that wouldn't have been created otherwise because the website didn't have a viable revenue model. Unfortunately, Google did create Adsense and now because they are themselve beholden to the revenue, they can not clearly get themselves away from the single biggest cause of spam in the last 3-4 years.
Personally, Jagger has not had much effect on us, but I know to others it has and if your website has nothing to do with Adsense and is all white hat, I sympathize with you.
At some point, Google will have to come to the realization that they are the creator of their own worst enemy.
Amen again, yah Adsense is good for small sites that need income but for the SEO spammers ---> AMEN! I agree, it is not good!
-H
If google wanted to make a serious dent in spam or the motivation for spam, they would eliminate Adsense!
I agree 100% How true that AdSense has basically encouraged SPAM to the fullest extent!
Kinda hard to understand why Google wants SPAM out of their index when they are pretty much the ones that started it!
I couldn't agree more! Adsense was the worst dumbest concept fromt he get go! What could they have possibly been thinking.
They were only thinking $$$$. Realistically do any of you really think Google cares about SPAM?! They ENGINEERED it for hells sake!
[edited by: Yippee at 4:16 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
sure it is. Have you checked their stock price lately?
Is Google going to do anything soon about the 302 redirects being applied to the target site? I manage over 30 client sites and they are constantly getting hijacked. My clients and I have to spend toooo much time chasing them down and about 1/2 the time the owner/host refuses to respond. The old email for webmaster@google ... canonical url doesn't work any more either. Is there somewhere we can report these?
How has Google done in the past two years?
Childish sour grapes is nothing but childish sour grapes. Google is king. If you want to make money give Google what it wants. If you can't figure out what Google wants, then either get into another business or build your business without Google. But don't #*$! and whine about it either way.
That's the issue. G doesn't seem reponsive in cleaning up bad adsense sites. I remember I was shocked when adsense first came out that I could just cut and paste the code and it was live. I couldn't believe there wasn't any reveiw. Well the all automated method of adsense has made them a lot of money, but it's also created a lot of headaches for them in dealing with spam in the SERPs.
Adsense is a good thing. G just needs to hire an adsense sheriff to clean up the lawlessnes.
That's the issue. G doesn't seem reponsive in cleaning up bad adsense sites. I remember I was shocked when adsense first came out that I could just cut and paste the code and it was live. I couldn't believe there wasn't any reveiw. Well the all automated method of adsense has made them a lot of money, but it's also created a lot of headaches for them in dealing with spam in the SERPs.
Quite ironic that Adwords sites have to be reviewed first but not Adsense?! Hmmm...Sour Grapes!? YES...Sour Grapes! Do as I say, not as I do!
Help Google combat SPAM!? How about Google combat their own damn SPAM! Let us find it for them?! Laugh! Review all of your Adsense sites Google and if their not a legitimate site cut them off! 90% of the SPAM is Adsense sites!
(Product Company Country)
Google had a 3 out of 10 actual relevance. Some sites were so far off the mark it is not funny. One site (mine is the only on with all the key words in the title tag in the top 10.) Also 1 site ( mine again )only had 2 of the key words. Most just the country nothing about the product or the word company.
So am being to wonder about the title tag and how much weight it has in the Jagger 2 algo?
Yahoo had 9 out of 10 relevance, 5 sites that had the complete key words in the title tag. 7 that had at least 2 key words.
I think that Jagger 3 may have a few more changes in store than we suspect. As I am sure that Google Does wants to deliver relevance. It HAS to do something as from what I see results are really compromised in some areas.
I was talking to a non webmaster client and they had actually noticed. After Jagger if Google doesn't sort it self out . I will still optimise for Google,( crazy not to at present) But take up Bretts suggestion and search with Pure Search [search.positiontech.com]for myself.
