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Jun 27, Aug 17 -- What's happening (part 2)?

Pages vanishing and reappearing -- even whole sites

   
9:24 am on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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OK, so after feeling really good to get our site back in order after the 27th of June "data refresh" I come back from holiday and find its all gone Pete Tong again.

The site: tool is NOT SHOWING OUR HOME PAGE FIRST. AGAIN!

Consequently, the home page is not showing in the serps. Again. Grrrrr....

Another data refresh required please Google. You're killing me.

[edited by: tedster at 6:17 am (utc) on Aug. 30, 2006]

12:49 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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On 9/22/07 Google dropped our SERP's from hundreds (if not thousands) of page 1 positions to positions of 750+. On 11/7/05 they came back to normal. The only thing I changed was to get rid of a second domain with duplicate information by using a 301 redirect. No idea if that was the problem.

On 8/17/06, the same SERP changes hit us again. Note: we were not affected at all by any of the other updates this year. None of our competitors with very similar sites were affected and I'm tracking 15 of them.

We're not doing anything outside of the Google guidelines. With regard to links, if anything we don't have enough of them and have zero from blogs, link sites, etc.

So I'm sitting here really scratching my head as I can't think of anything to change/fix. I wish we had the ability to run a poll on this forum as I'd like to compare notes with others. One question keeps coming up around our office though...

How many of the sites affected negatively on 8/17/06 are making good money from adsense? We have thousands of pages with adsense and each time we've been hit it's been at our peak revenue time for the year. We dropped from $200/day to $95 overnight -- OUCH!

Would love to know if you were hit on 8/17/06 and whether you're a big adsense earner as well. Anything else you can tell me would be appreciated.

Ducki

1:22 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Ducki
I can tell you that I don't run adsense. My site was #1 in google for over 5 years and now is loosing position everyday ( I'm now 80th with all my key-searches). I did not change anything, but the problem is abviously that "google" is changing.

My problem was with:
Duplicated content
BL's anchor text focalized on few keywords
Mass upload of pages
Un-natural link growth

Hope it can help

2:00 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Alex70,

Have you been adding content? Google could be looking that your pages are a bit stale.

Yes, google has changed a bit but remember the internet in general changes daily. Its growing.

[edited by: trinorthlighting at 2:04 pm (utc) on Aug. 28, 2006]

2:01 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see the google prefferred domain tool is working again.
2:04 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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trinorthlighting
I'm indeed adding content and I'm also more carefull about dup content etc..
2:06 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just keep adding, we had a few sites fall like that last year. We try to add 3 new pages (Level 2 or 3) a day per site. It seems to work good with google.
2:19 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I will kepp that in mind thanks
2:29 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Another thing you can do, and this seems to help is to sign up for google alerts. Have google email you anything with your domain names. Every day we recieve an email from google and we find the scrapers sites that are getting indexed in google. Sometimes they scrape our content and do a sneaky redirect using our titles and meta data and redirect to their page. As soon as we see it we report it as spam to google. Most of the time google takes care of it.
4:33 pm on Aug 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Index page troubles are many and varied, but many are caused by linking to /index.html from every page of the site and then finding that Google lists www.domain.com/ instead.

Make sure that every page links back to http://www.domain.com/ in exactly that format.

1:45 am on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Another thing you can do, and this seems to help is to sign up for google alerts. Have google email you anything with your domain names.

thanks for the heads up on that .. busted to scrapers today alone and found a page that was orphaned on our site. Wish this was part of google sitemaps. That would be very nice. :)

2:14 am on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Another thing you can do, and this seems to help is to sign up for google alerts. Have google email you anything with your domain names. Every day we recieve an email from google and we find the scrapers sites that are getting indexed in google. Sometimes they scrape our content and do a sneaky redirect using our titles and meta data and redirect to their page. As soon as we see it we report it as spam to google. Most of the time google takes care of it.

I subscribe to GoogleAlerts, and have often wondered if Google would really do anything with spam reports. I find new sub-domain spam sites and scraper sites on an almost daily basis via my reports. Most of the time they are set up as faux directories with brief descriptions or faux blogs with scraped and mashed text that makes no sense. If I knew Google would really do something about this stuff I would report it.
2:47 am on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My site bounced back from page 4 to page 1 today.

It was the only site of 30 that tanked 27 july.

Also the only site that had affilaite products, with no work done to about duplciate content.

I removed the pages 2 weeks ago

rnakings returned.

I think july 27 was a duplicate content filter dial turn up.

5:53 am on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm another one that was doing real well with google for a long time (site has been online since 1998), and making over $100/day with adsense. Then came 6/27 and I dropped out of the serps and to about $10/day, then 7/27 I came back completely without making any changes to my site and then 8/17 dropped out of google again. I am going to try to wait this out again but if things dont improve eventually, I will look into trying to figure out why google doesnt like my site all of a sudden.
11:45 am on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My site was dropped 80% on June 27th returned on July 27th then got hit again on Aug. 17th. For four years before this summers roller coaster my site had top positions for many keywords in Google.

I don't run adsense and never have. My pages are dynamic and most all pages add new content every three days. I have over 10,000 link backs to my index page from individual sites with reciprocal links to us. I for the life of me can't find similarities for the sites that were affected.

12:34 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Kenb,

Sometimes they do, just report it thats all you can really do. We make it a point to report the ones who scrape our title and meta data and do the sneaky 301 redirect. Google seems to kill those as soon as we report them.

Keep in mind though, if you use adwords your ad will show up on a lot of sites, if you do not like the site it is showing up on, exclude it in your adwords account.

1:23 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ari11210 : " "

instead of writing a reply post to this thread i can place just a "ditto" to your message. i am also in the same condition.

worried

2:00 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Same here fellas.. my problems started a month earlier in the April 26-27th refresh. Haven't bounced back in any later refresh, just hovering around the page 5,6,7+ glitch.
2:22 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We updated our front page and added new pages to the site, google index us wrong, than a month later was index correctly 4 days later dropped from the SERP's Aug. 17th, we where on page 1 bouncing back and forth between 2nd 3rd in spot on the SERP's, found us on page 10-11-12-16-40 every day on a different page. "back to page 10 today"
11:10 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Site: tool showing the home page in the top spot today...yes!

Hold that data refresh Google.

11:14 am on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Oh, but now we only have 13 pages deemed different enough to list, out of maybe 1000 pages in the site, all with distinct and unique content and unique meta tags. Hmmm...
2:51 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hey gsm1D,
We changed all home page link references to point to [widgets.com...]
instead of [widgets.com...]

We were deep crawled yesterday, and as of this morning we're back to page one..

Maybe this is a coincidence, but we were bumped down to page 4 as of Aug 17 with what appeared to be a filter of sorts and now all looks good again, so I'll keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for the advice.

5:58 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts mentioned that on Aug 17 they did a data refresh and MOST SIGNIFICANT, that sites that are over optimizing might want to "back off".

Can anyone provide a checklist of Google over-optimization bugaboos?

6:40 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, I saw that last night, but I sure wish he'd given us some real info, like... what the heck does over-optimization mean?

I've done my best to create my sites for my readers, and now here he is saying that we're probably over-optimized.

I just wish Matt would give us a bit more direction.

7:12 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Ride45: It may be a coincidenece, but at least you are now pointing all of your internal PR at the exact same URL that Google lists as being your root. Only good can come of that action.
11:33 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm beginning to think that Matt Cutts doesn't have a clue as to what is going on with these updates and the dropped sites.

The sites that replaced my top keyword positions are definitely keyword spamming and they are still listed.

11:35 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As ever, it might not be the keyword spamming that got them there. Additionally, I would look at gfe-eh when it comes back with the updated results (they are not there at the moment) and see if that is any better.
5:43 am on Aug 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

Our rankings dropped on August 17th.

Here was what we found / guess at what happened.

One of our sites, is a phpBB site that has some Mod Rewrites to simplify the URLs. Apparently, Google was capturing the Mod Rewrite and the "regular way" to visit every post. We have 15000 posts on or forums, BUT Google was reporting almost double that. It looked like we got hit with a duplicate penalty. Also, due to a PHP error, all pages had the exact same meta description. The REAL strange thing, is that a different/related site on the same server, was also penalized.

We have since removed the meta desciption, updated the Robots.txt file, to tell Google to NOT double index, and the pages have dropped considerably. We added a site map, so Google, would find the "right URLs".

We are expecting the site(s) to recover over the next few days, since we "fixed" the duplicate penalty (almost 2 weeks ago, we fixed and we are seeing pages drop from Google index)

Also, can we assume, that when we do a "site" command, that after we no longer see the message below, that the duplicate penalty has been resolved.

In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the XX already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.

It seems there is a lot of discussion about August 17th and other sites and many were hit.

7:43 am on Aug 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Oh no - where did the home page go? Come back. We miss you.
11:53 am on Aug 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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But if this was a penalty why did sites disappear on June 27 then reappear July 27th then disappear again Aug 17th? If it was a penalty you wouldn't think sites would have came back to normal for a couple weeks like that.
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