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OK, so after feeling really good to get our site back in order after the 27th of June "data refresh" I come back from holiday and find its all gone Pete Tong again.
The site: tool is NOT SHOWING OUR HOME PAGE FIRST. AGAIN!
Consequently, the home page is not showing in the serps. Again. Grrrrr....
Another data refresh required please Google. You're killing me.
[edited by: tedster at 6:17 am (utc) on Aug. 30, 2006]
[edited by: tedster at 6:49 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2006]
#1
When I type in "www.domain.com" into google my webpage shows up as result #31 on page 4! Should be #1 obviously but isn't since the April, June, July, August "refresh" messes.
Anyone else have this?
Ofcourse there are over 9,000 results when I type in "www.domain.com" and 90% of them are scrappers and spam.
Comments?
#2
Has anyone recovered from any of the April, June, July, August "refreshes"?
Thanks!
[edited by: AustrianOak at 12:33 pm (utc) on Sep. 9, 2006]
I have two computers on the same network.
Computer 1: ping www.google.com = 66.102.7.99
Computer 2: ping www.google.com = 66.102.7.104
These IP's change daily it seems. No idea why Google would be giving me two different IP's when both computers are in the same location.
Anyway, right now I'm looking at the same results I've been looking at for months (or nearly identical) with one exception -- my site is missing.
Yesterday I was looking at what appeared to be a new ranking order on one computer and a more recent one following August 17th but different than what I'm looking at here and I've seen others.
Something is funky. Is it possible Google is testing which will have the best results and trying to decide between them? Regardless, in most indexes our site is 900+ for a term we generally rank #8 on and it's our biggest traffic term (despite not being our best).
We've changed everything and have zero idea of why there's a penality. We hadn't broken the rules to start with and though I've redued keyword density, we're still screwed.
Ducki
1)Using the title from my site about half of the dcs
my site top as has been the case form the last six years for my main kw
and
2)a secondset of results that use the ODP description and have my site as no2 for the same keys words so possibly using a slightly different algo.
These two data sets seem to be stable at the moment and have been for about a week now.
Additional comment;
Results have taken a series of nose dives over the summer with the mid August completlty taking one of my sites out. This site has history with cannonicals etc so make what you will of that. Anyway despite a year of efforts its is now history..thanks google.
Has anyone recovered from any of the April, June, July, August "refreshes"?
I have made myself a solemn promise not to do, say, or think anything regarding the current state of my site vis a vis Google, until the End Of Summer.
12 more days and counting.
It add pages to index, removes the same day and then add next day.
Right now i have only homepage in index.
When will this end? Or it ever will?
And one more thing, when can be the next toolbar PR update expected?
Has anyone recovered from any of the April, June, July, August "refreshes"?All our sites but one were hit badly on 27 June, but recovered to their original positions on 17 Aug. I hope they stay this way. We lost thousands of dollars during that fiasco (and I'm sure Google lost millions!)
Secondly I feel your pain, losing thousands of dollars myself over the summer and to this day.. no recovery as of yet.
What if any changes did you make or was it a google glitch that corrected itself?
Thanks
All the Best
Col :-)
That's because there are at least 4 different vesions of their index spread across their many datacentres right now.
If you look at gfe-gv and then at gfe-eh you will see big differences. The data at gfe-eh has had a big change made to supplemental results a few weeks ago. That change is now also on many other datacentres, but is still far from being on all.
See also: [webmasterworld.com...]
Why would I have the supplemental results showing first?
No recovery at all. Instead some fairly meaningless domain has not been hit whilst a 6 years old quality domain with loads of relevant quality content for many keywords is still receiving ZERO Google traffic.
Has anyone recovered from any of the June, July, August "refreshes"?
It's not huge, but much better than I experienced the rest of the month.
Man I wish there was a way to find only the supplimentals.... if anyone knows how please let me in on the secret. It would certainly help me find which parts of our site need work.
site:www.domain.com -inurl:www
will find most of them.
Ohh... what a great addition to sitemaps!
"there may still be some movement going on till Sept. 30th or so, but I wouldn’t expect it to be a ton of movement. "
So I guess that is it, no big changes! We are not coming back to before Jun 27, very sad! :o(
This search:
site:www.domain.com -inurl:www
will find most of them.
You mean that search finds the supplementals, right? Or did I misunderstand.
Anyhow, I tried it and it brought up 2 pages labeled as supplemental from my site. So apparently I'm doing ok there, hopefully.
But, one of the pages was kind of a surprize, because it's a fairly heavily trafficked page at the moment (it's time sensitive).
So I hop back to google and do a keyword search for the page, and there it is at #5 or so, and NOT labeled as supplemental.
Apparently supplementals are not always suppplementals?
The one difference I did notice was that in the site: search the G cache showed the page at half the K size it showed in the cache for the page when it came up in the keyword search, and both cache pages showed the same date, 9-6-2006.
I am still crossing my fingers that the end of the summer "big final change" will fix the mess from April, June, July and August.
Seems unreal at times.
[edited by: AustrianOak at 11:47 pm (utc) on Sep. 11, 2006]
I ran the test and found that I have 444 supplemental results (out of over 100,000 pages).
These are mostly all 302 pages.
Of these 444, about half of them are printable version pages which last year we had told Googlebot not to index (via robots.txt). After the recent changes in the algo, I figured I'd reopen them (trying anything here).
The other half are pages which were for paid listings which are now expired. We redirect them to another page until they're paid again. I'm thinking this probably isn't the best idea. However, the alternative is duplicate pages on the site which I'm also thinking is a bad idea so I'll have to solve that puzzle.
Anyway, our listings are still no where to be found and I have no idea why. There's some kind of penalty being applied to our site but I have no idea what it is nor how to fix it. Frankly, I think it sucks that Google can't be more open about their penalties so that legit webmasters can fix them.
Ducki
How can they not fix this mess?
Well, Google tends to roll back and forth.. the sites will possibly come back in a few days/weeks.
This kind of junk has been going on for a long time with the mighty G...
I would say they didnt apply any filters they removed some - indications are that the expired Dmoz filter is gone, the script-generated cloaked page filter is gone, and the .edu and hometown aol filters have been removed
Could you please clue us into what each of these filters were about.
Now to just recover that traffic...
MSNbot chews them up like there is no tomorrow, and they show up after a few days.
With Google, it takes a perfectly unique page of content, with unique title, etc, and makes it supplemental. Then, they show up as non supplemental for a few days, and then go back to supplemental.
Google in my opinion has really choked their own chicken this time. They used to be the best at finding stuff, now their Googlebot is getting trounced by MSNbot by a mile. To bad more people don't use MSN.
In all honestly, lately none of the 3 big search engines seem to be putting out any better results than the other. It's just more people use Google now.
At least Google is trying to analize what is new. I really don't believe anyone here uses any other search engine besides Google as the first choice when looking for stuff not including your own sites.
