Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
In the past two upheavals by Google (8th March 2006 & June 27th 2006)it has been apparent that the changes have been roughly accross the board, with the obvious exception of the 64.233.189.104 DC.
The DC seems to use the same cache dates as the other DC's and has the same amount of supplemental pages also, and yet somehow it has ignored any penalties that have been applied to the other DC's and gives treats my site as though nothing were wrong.
Any idea what the purpose of this DC could be?
All the Best
Col :-)
[edited by: tedster at 7:46 pm (utc) on July 21, 2006]
Anyone find a solution yet?
I saw this happen to my site three weeks back then SERPs reverted back to normal after a few days, now these SERPs come back this morning. Funny thing is, my GG traffic is up because of more 3/4 word hits.
I thought this was a brand new development. Ya, my traffic is not really suffering yet, because I rank for thousands of terms. I am just afraid this filter is going to expand.
Where is GoogleGuy when you need him?
Ranked 1st for years for a very, very competitive term "Blue Widgets" (having a site with domain "WidgetsWorld.Com" and the words "Blue Widgets" in the title), I'm now the only URL disappeared from the first 10 positions (and I'm nowhere for that search term).
I mean to say that the other 9 sites showing on the 1st page for "Blue Widgets" were not affected by this filter, but me (the remaining 9 sites are: one affiliation site, i.e. adding no additional content, and the remaining 8, very good and respectable competitors).
I'm anyway getting the same good ranking if I search "Blue Widgets" with the quotations signs. As all of you.
BUT: while displaying my good ranking with quotation, the site appear with an old ODP title (we have been removed from ODP a few days ago, but Google is still getting the old title anyway).
Of course I have already put the noodp tag and I'll wait for the bot to spider the page, but my point is: is anyone, experiencing this microfilter problem, facing ODP titles/descriptions problems **as well**?
As you see I'm trying to figure out the common features of all the cases we are listing here... may be a problem with a "onlyodp" type or behaviour?
Are you sure you don't mean back on June 14th? That's when we saw it happening before, but like you said, it was resolved within 2 days (more or less).
The club is indeed growing, but I'm really no longer apart of the club. Whatever filtration was occuring for me was lifted (I'm still operating under the pretences that it might come back at some point this week), and now people are disappearing across all datacenters (I can't verify this, just reposting from above comments) versus that group of 11 datacenters at the peak on Monday.
I do wonder if what people are seeing now is a followup datapush, as reseller points out may be the case, or if they are just applying a different filter now in order to isolate a different problem -- if you come back with the "", it's a filter...temporary or permanent is what we aim to figure out.
I'll keep an eye out for any trends and chime in again if I see anything.
Cygnus
Not everyone had the ODP issue; I didn't and am now back. Maybe that's the remaining filter (along with the geographic filter) still remaining.
Anyone with the ODP title change issue come back yet?
Cygnus
Another strange sign, just noticed on Mcdar:
Another site of mines, raking steadly #2 for months is now disappeared from the datacenters we are talking about (the ones with the filter problem) but, at the same time, jumped first for the remaining good ranking ones.
So, while we are disappearing on gfe-ro etc., we are improving ranking on the non-microfiltered datacenters.
Could be a sign that more than one filter is being applied, one pushing in one direction and the other one in the opposite direction?
PS: the site that ranked first was clearly spam and never removed for months and months. Clearly a sign of spam cleaning filter
My homepage has been taken out of the
rankings just for the top 2 comp. phrases.
All others AOK
When searching "only from UK" I am as before
Just google.com etc
I implemented the noodp tag yesterday because
it had nothing to do with my KWs
No change to my situation still page 1 on my title term and disappeared for the rest of them. Is anyone else seeing any change in the number of pages on the terms that have disappeared. The terms for me where I have been taken right off the index is showing an increase of about 20 mill pages. Don't know if this is a factor but thought I would mention it.
Pete
mommyyy
Are you sure you don't mean back on June 14th? That's when we saw it happening before, but like you said, it was resolved within 2 days (more or less).
Yep it may have been then, it was over the weekend and come Monday I was in my normal postion without quotes.
- DC's across the board have dropped our primary keywords. Up until this morning, we were still holding on to some of the DC's.
- ALL keywords show up properly when I put the "" on.
- Allinanchor, Allintitle both show our keywords with & without "".
- ODP tag took effect sometime over the night. I put the tag up about 7 days ago.
Berry
"Welcome to the club Reseller.
Does your site come back to 1 or 2 with quotes around the search term?"
It wasn't my site, but a site I'm keeping an eye on ;-)
And yes, with quotes around the search phrase, the site comes back. Talking about BigDaddy miracles, I guess :-)
Absolutely!
I suspect this new filter is having unintended consequences, because it does seem half-baked. Just wish we would hear from Google on this matter.
giuliorapetti, does your site reappear if you search USA sites only (assuming you are in the US)?
D
I doubt it. Therefore my todays thread:
Possible Shift in Google-Webmasters Communication Policy! [webmasterworld.com]
From the discussion about "USA only" search results, I would've assumed it was some sort of geolocation filter, except that there are some other websites ranking well for "green widgets" with IPs NOT based in the US, so if there is some sort of geolocation filtering, then it certaintly isn't consistent.
So my bet is that it's just a bug as ClintFC writes here [webmasterworld.com]
On the other hand, why would this bug would only affect specific keyword searches?
[edited by: Umbra at 5:34 pm (utc) on July 26, 2006]
Surfin',
Yes, exactly. This is something I forgot to mention.
If I search "pages from US" I'm holding tight in the 1st position as usual...
Its not a bug, it is some sort filter.
I think it may be triggered by keyword density. On the paid side somebody suggested it is an over-optimization filter.
"keyword density" in what section of the page?
We have analyzed that as well, perfectly inline with all the other "9 players" of the first page of results, which are now orphans of our 1st ranked site...
And I mean keyword density in title, meta tags, body of the page etc.
Nothing out of the parameters...
Other ideas? :-)
Quote:"At KW1 company with do KW2 and KW3. We have years of experience in KW2 and KW3. KW1 is a great opportunity for KW3 buyers ....and yadyadya...."
These guys are still on page one for their main "KW1" and rising up to the first page for "KW2" for the past week, unbelievable....
You see, no KW density applies....
And I don't even talk about backlinks in the like of "KW1 for K-W-2 or KW-3" ...I mean a mess, but it seems to work.
As far as I can tell results in quotations were keeping this type of guys off -
Also, until a couple of weeks ago I didn't see much spam or text link buyers (yet some) as I see now.
It actually surprises me to see so abvious text link buying rising up. There must be a way of filtering this.
my .02
I wish I knew. I have made some adjustments to see if I can wiggle my way out of this filter.
It has to be on page stuff, as opposed to external anchor text or something along those lines.
It has to be on page stuff.
Rugles have you seen any relationship between Adwords and the use of quotes or no quotes for the keyword?
So, if my tweaking does not fix the issue, maybe I sould delete the term from Adwords. <makes me think all kinds of conspriracy stuff>
Amazing how big this club is getting. Plus how many long standing sites are getting wiped out.
# dmoz title IS keyword phrase (not appearing for after 3 years of ranking)
# keyword density for the phrase 24% (site is all about subject matter so doesn't necessarily mean it needs keyword phrase high density, imo)
# allinanchor, "" #1
# past experiences: site (homepage) did the same thing app. 8 months ago as a missed crawl (not downtime), reappeared 3 weeks later.
Hope this helps
You mentioned...Assuming the ODP title was "Super Green Widgets" then we've disappeared for "green widgets" but still rank for "super green widgets".
For my sites, the microfilter has only affected my 2 KW terms. My 3 KW terms are normal. I was wondering if this is consistant with you, giuliorapetti, or anyone else experienceing similar issues. I am looking for any consistencies so I can start breaking this thing down.
Answer to a previous post: One of my sites that was affected does not use Adwords, Overture, or any kind of paid advertising. It has ranked in the top 5 for a long time under a very competitive 2 KW term.
Mine is a 2 KW term.
Anyone else have anything other than 2 KW term?
