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11:38 am on Jul 21, 2006 (gmt 0)



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In the past two upheavals by Google (8th March 2006 & June 27th 2006)it has been apparent that the changes have been roughly accross the board, with the obvious exception of the 64.233.189.104 DC.

The DC seems to use the same cache dates as the other DC's and has the same amount of supplemental pages also, and yet somehow it has ignored any penalties that have been applied to the other DC's and gives treats my site as though nothing were wrong.

Any idea what the purpose of this DC could be?

All the Best

Col :-)

[edited by: tedster at 7:46 pm (utc) on July 21, 2006]

8:35 am on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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does someone has a crystal ball somewhere?
I wonder if we will ever see anymore a confirmed update with a trademark name like in the past (florida ,alegra ,jager ech.)
Guess not ,it will always be a "data refresh"
Probably the only name someone can give to this "data refreshes" is Twist and shout.
9:51 am on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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toothake

"Guess not ,it will always be a "data refresh"
Probably the only name someone can give to this "data refreshes" is Twist and shout."

Exactly. That was what I thought too. So now we have two suggested names for the new Data Refresh (c) Matt Cutts 2006 all rights reserved:

Data Refresh - Emmy

Data Refresh - Twist and shout

Any further suggestions for good names ;-)

10:22 am on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)



I think that as a companion for Big Daddy, we could name this one Data Refresh - Yo Mamma
12:18 pm on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thick Daddy ..
the site that lost rankings is now up again the other one that gained is down ..
12:29 pm on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I noticed just yesterday that my home page is not ranking for my main 2 terms

But it ranks well for all others

It's just, like, disappeared

12:31 pm on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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and for 64.233.189.104 index page is not ranking for those terms

MIA

When doing a site:www.mydomain.com it comes up first

12:44 pm on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Two of our sites ranks on google uk 'pages from uk' for all terms but on one main term 'pages from the web' there is no ranking. This is split across two sets of data, unfortunately the one that is being used 'live' is the one where the term is missing. It has been like this for four weeks now.

The normal ranking is #4 but is just nowhere on 'pages from the web'.

12:46 pm on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Leeds1

I'd be willing to bet that if you put your keyword in quotes "" that it will show in roughly the same position as it was showing -- I'm almost glad that so many webmasters are having problems, because that increases the liklihood that Google will fix the problem and get those sites back to where they should be.

Don't you miss the days when during a big update a site might go from #1 to maybe number #11 or #21 and then end up at #4...the all or nothing updates are a tad more worrisome.

Cygnus

12:47 pm on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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While I am on the subject has anyone got an explanation as to what the 'pages from the web'/'pages from the uk' are supoosed to do and how they differ? It all seems massively random to me.

Sometimes the results are exactly the same, sometimes a bit differant, sometimes very differant and sometimes, as in the post above, sites just dissappear for single search terms.

2:24 pm on Jul 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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While I am on the subject has anyone got an explanation as to what the 'pages from the web'/'pages from the uk' are supoosed to do and how they differ? It all seems massively random to me.

As I said on the 27th June thread, I think Geo/Language partitioning may lie at the heart of one of the June 27th Bugs.

From what I can see, Google partition sites/pages based on geographic location and content language. Simply put, for each, there are two parameters, call them hard and soft.

That is a site has:

Language (Soft) = English
Location (Soft) = UK

Language (Hard) = English
Location (Hard) = UK

The soft information is used to partition their index and deliver geo and language targeted results to users based solely on the searching users IP address. Pages with soft settings of English and UK are given a significant ranking boost when being delivered to a searcher located in the UK.

The hard information is used to partition their index for delivery when users specifically specify a location and/or language pereference.

There is supposed to be very little difference between the soft and hard data. However, from what I can see, large chunks of their soft language and location partitioning data were corrupted on the 27th June. As a result, lots of pages are being incorrectly ranked for delivery to specific geographic locations based on the IP address of the searcher. These ranking errors are corrected only when the searching user explicitly sets a preference for "language" or "location" (e.g. "pages from the UK").

To see the problem for yourself. Try a search for "Make Model", without specifying a language or location preference. Notice the large number ot top ranked results that are not appropriate for your home language or country. Now specify "English Only" and/or "pages from X", and notice how the results improve dramatically.

In our case, all of our effected pages jump back to their top positions when either language or country are explicitly selected.

7:06 am on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'd be willing to bet that if you put your keyword in quotes "" that it will show in roughly the same position as it was showing .

Yes that worked for me! What does putting "" actually do to make such a differance?

7:23 am on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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it breaks the filter....or stemming....or lsi....
8:47 am on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A very competitive sector I monitor has now 4/6 top 6 positions filled by new sites exploiting google big time.

Either Wiki/org/edu sites, completed optimized titles such as kw kw kw etc. Which you click it redirects to another sites, and then redirects again to another site displaying sponsored search.

Many of the urls on the Serps have "sandbox" in the url directory structure.

Never, have I seen such as large % of the SERPS taken over so quickly by spammers. It seems its "that easy" to do at the moment.

Google, why dont you monitor your spam report?

9:55 am on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Those things are everywhere. The folks at the plex would have to be dead a week to not know their index is horribly polluted with this stuff right now. It's one case though where it is so widespread... with a tactic working rather than a site spamming... that they need to fix the algo screw up that lets this trash have its month in the sun.
3:30 pm on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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the second Data Refresh "twist and shout" started a while ago.Check your keywords at Mcdonald's :)
3:45 pm on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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its the infrastucture thats screwed..not the algo...they cant detect the stuff they used to handle let alone new stuff....the only thing they can handle is the micro filters...and they are over the top....
5:26 pm on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[Edit: That was quick; they dumped me and then re-added to all 39 blocks -- that was very quick actually, I've never seen so many datacenters switch so quickly. I wonder if it is over for now.]

Good catch toothake, I was just about to post that we disappeared again.

What the heck is this microfilter targetting anyhow? I don't think it is stemming, given that we continue to rank for the plural of this very competitive phrase.

As before, results back when using "" or appending &filter=0 in the URL string.

Is everyone that started having this problem Friday having it again?

Cygnus

[edited by: JoeSinkwitz at 5:33 pm (utc) on July 23, 2006]

5:40 pm on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Language (Soft) = English
Location (Soft) = UK

Language (Hard) = English
Location (Hard) = UK

Just banging the same old drum again but...

What you are seeing could be caused by the use of the wrong semantic webs thesaurus. UK English is different to US English (divided by a common laguage and all that). That is exactly what I believe we saw with fiasco Florida and the results were the same, sites dropped for no apparent logical reason.

I have found a few terms that are sensitive to whatever was implemented on 27th June when I look at them on McNameless 72.*, in each case they include words which have slightly different meanings in Australia, US and UK. Also when I use a plural of the affected word the results seem to show an even more extreme separation.

Sid

7:59 pm on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The results from
72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.107
72.14.207.107
are spreading to
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147
looks to me they will spread to the rest like a few weeks back with the copra case.
9:44 pm on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think there's something to this UK/US thing. My site completely dropped into never never land on June 27th. However, I am still getting visitors from Google UK search. So after reading the post above, I went to Google.co.uk and searched for the terms I used to rank Top 10 for. They weren't there. THEN I clicked "search only sites from the UK" and voila! All my former search positions are in place.

So clearly Google thinks my site is a UK site. Could you guys try doing the same and see if your sites show up when you click "search sites from the UK"?

10:19 pm on Jul 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This is interesting because we have seen a very real recovery in Australia for .com.au results. This has only happened in the last 24 hours, prior to that the results were the same on .com and .com.au
Site: command works in logical order on .com.au also. To me it looks like they are on the way to getting things back in the general area of "normal" as this is the first positive sign since june 27th. Interestingly the older sites that were gone altogether are the first ones coming back.
12:37 am on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)



Hey kidder, I'm coming back too. Started happeing yesterday but still see a mess of news types of sites dominating even for service searches. Googles going to make allot of money next quarter too.

Seems Bigdaddy is all about money for the plex. Anyone else notice that Amazon was also deleted from Google search on June 27th?

Then all of Googs data centers picked them right back up a day later?

Manual fixes are alive and well at the Plex.

12:51 am on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi SuddenlySara

I think the term is "hand jobs"

Anyway it's good to hear some other sites are coming back in.

3:19 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm hoping some people will check their pages in google.co.uk by clicking "pages from the UK" and seeing if their U.S. sites come up like mine.
4:20 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As of right now, I only see the microfiltering on my domain occuring on:
gfe-hk
gfe-ro

For most of the day Sunday the microfiltering was off for me, but now it appears to be back on the above; I haven't seen google.com serve up the results yet and my stats are consistent with being #1 everywhere.

I'm still curious as to why it only affects this one phrase "keyword"; for "keywords" it is stable, as it is for the "thesaurus" phrases. Is everyone else getting nabbed also #1 allinanchor, allintext, allintitle? Oddest filtering ever.

Cygnus

4:30 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What is microfiltering?
4:47 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In this instance, I'd define microfiltering as a filter that is not applied on a domain or page basis, but rather on a phrase basis for a particular page.
4:47 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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microfiltering is like...
when the bouncer stops the young kid at the door who just wants a good time but is wearing trainers....meanwhile as the bouncer makes a big deal about not letting this kid in another guy..7 foot tall and with a gun in one hand and a machete in the other hand... slips into the club unnoticed....he's followed by his four freinds all kitted up for trouble...the bouncer turns around thinking his job is done because another kid with trainers has been blocked at the door...
4:50 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I like the analogy soapy...the consequence of microfilters and ill-advised filters in general.
5:26 pm on Jul 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Should I start a new thread to deal with the June 27th / "Sites from the UK" issue? I think it's getting lost in the shuffle in this thread.
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