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2:37 pm on Jul 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone have any input on why if this (June 27) is a mistake it is taking so long to fix?

[edited by: tedster at 7:44 pm (utc) on July 18, 2006]

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I got intrigued by what Sara is saying - about older sites getting hit because of Google trying to find the age. However, I have another website that is equally old and has been updated as frequently as the one that has been hit but no change on 6/27. I wish we could all come up with some common thread about the cause!
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I have a few sites in different categories that have not been hit by June 27th.
These are niche sites without much competition on keywords..No problem.

It's really upsetting to loose on money making natural keywords then find out the same keywords now will cost about 800% more with Adwords.

Google is about stock now, not keyword relevance.

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Has anyeone else out there suffered loss of backlinks, loss of pages, but no loss of rankings on your key terms?

I've been hit hard by lost pages but have in fact gained rankings on my key terms.

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Sara

( It's always about the money. "Follow the money" said Deep Throat in "All the President's Men" - one of the key ways I viewed the world since then )

I note that "Trump Taj Mahal Casino" (big budget) has risen right up to #2 the index for "Taj Mahal", even though it's got nothing to do with the actual site in India...

But what I can't figure using your logic, is why the Great Buildings (no money for AdWords) is now #1, with very little actual data on the Taj...

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I think when such a large % of sites have dropped pages and gone supp then there has to be drop in back links.
I've even found supp pages reported for directory.google.com which pretty musch speaks volumes for the state of the index.
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wrong Kidder, my sites as currently shown by google have gained PR and backlinks. Don't trust that data though;)
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I've even found supp pages reported for directory.google.com which pretty musch speaks volumes for the state of the index.

I have seen a few google directory pages go supp this time too, but regional dirs

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Wish I could show you all the goooooogle mistakes out there.
By the time the moderators take down my post here, there will be more mistakes.
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Well, if google starts removing masses of pages from its index, stand to reason there is going to be a massive reduction in back links..... for EVERY site.

does not explain, why my rankings are UP my pages indexed is DOWN. :(

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I have noticed something about the site command which I would like to invite comments on.

About 8 months to a year ago, I initiated a 301 redirect from the non www to the www.domain.com, although I was not aware of any canonical problems with the site.

Now when I do the site:domain.com command, in first place is domain.com (supplemental), followed by www.domain.com/otherpages.htm (all supplemental), followed by www.domain.com/otherpages.htm (not supplemental) - but no sign of www.domain.com

When I do site:www.domain.com, www.domain.com is preceded by lots of www.domain.com/otherpages.htm (all supplemental).

Has anyone else suffering from the June 27th "refresh" noticed anything similar?

[edited by: Wibfision at 1:02 pm (utc) on July 20, 2006]

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>>>Dayo, you're the expert - any comments?

If one was optomistic then perhaps it is a sign that they are testing/trying to debug the canonical problem.

However, being realistic, after 18+ months of problems/issues then it is probably just the randomness that seems to happen to sites that get this problem.

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Gosh that was quick, I'd edited my message to remove my reference to you and correct a few facts I wasn't 100% sure of - thanks for the response though :-)
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Random sounds right.

Google have just hadded some RAM

Random Adwords Momentum

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There is nothing you can do except:

- go back to building and promoting your site to the degree - google doesn't matter. Worry about your site and let google take care of it's own.

This is a nice way of saying our webmastering careers are dead in the water.

[edited by: Martin40 at 5:26 pm (utc) on July 20, 2006]

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"Has anyone else suffering from the June 27th "refresh" noticed anything similar?"

Sure, that is one of the most common problems.

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Yea, if you all have not figured out that adsense helps a site out yet you are way behind the power curve. When you apply for adsense you have to fill out a bunch of information such as tax id, name, address. What do you think happens at that point? I would venture to say your "trust rank" improves because google now knows your a legit website.

It might not vault you to the top, but I am sure it helps.

One additional note, google tries to serve up appropriate ads for the page, so if you sell widgets its interesting to see what google serves up and how google views content and matches things up.

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Have any of you tried the new "Accessible Web Search for the Visually Challenged" [labs.google.com ].

My website that lost rankings on June 27th ranks much better there. When I accessed the search, the datacenter was 64.233.187.104. However, when I accessed the data center directly, I still had the post June 27th poor rankings.

Is that because my site is particularly accessible to blind users, or is it because whatever went wrong on June 27th has bypassed this new search?

Test your own sites and post back.

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Those results are outright weird. Solid html pages seems to do better there, which is strange enough, but then sometimes they really nail results while on others there is all that googlelovesblogspam garbage.

It also seems to react differently to pages with problems. None are recovered, but some do significantly better while others with milder problems seem to do quite a bit worse.

(As if we need something else weird from Google....)

11:34 am on July 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you have good enough content just add links to your site to wikipedia.

Just:

1.) Don't Spam
2.) make it useful and relevant
3.) Also contribute in a useful way to wikipedia.

You'll probably stay on and get more and more traffic.

Additionally I created loads of videos to put on youtube yahoo and Google with a text snip of the narration. They consistently then rank higher in the serps as my site, which has been hit again.

Still what worries me about the web in general is that content isn't really the thing to do in many sectors. There is so much new content coming in every day that you actually only fight content inflation.

Especially if you publish in english as you need to be the best within a really huge population and that field has to be large enough to make a living.

What we really need is some form of bust again that tell everybody.. go away on the net there is no fortune to be made ..

Hopefully with Googlestock reaching saturation this will come soon.

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Google has reported that their earnings are way up for the second quarter.

So, IMO all our whining to Google about their search engine being messed up is not going to do alot of good.

It's all about money; not search quality.

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Did you ever heard of a corporation not thinking about money?
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I never read this before, is this really true?

>diddlydazz

>4. the "4 page penalty" (penalty/dampening/whatever) seems to be *real* for numerous pages on 18 of our sites.

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Exactly, google is about making money, like I said, if you do not use adsense you are already behind the powercurve.
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Well it looks like G is now my no.2 search engine. Today it dropped the last few pages that we still ranked on .co.uk and Yahoo has now overtaken them for me for the first time in 3 years.

Despite direct requests for help and all the postings here and I see today more comments on Matts blog there is no sign of any help.

Looks like it's time to switch all my on site serach to Yahoo?

Come on google we've supported you though thick and thin how about some help in return....

LP

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I have put Yahoo as the default search engine on the computers of my company - productivity was dropping because noone found search results quickly. Sorry Google.
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I'll do the same...
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""Has anyone else suffering from the June 27th "refresh" noticed anything similar?" "
got one site total screw "but" like mention on thread
[webmasterworld.com...]
message #:3019492 (about UK) (mine is hosted in DE)
my site is totally OK for site command (index comes first) shows exactly the pages that are live and not a few thousands of sup results (site:www.mysite.com ( Seiten aus Deutschland )/)
What I suggest is try site command in the location of hosting and domain registration.
Google is testing and that will take months and patience,in the meanwhile you if you targeting certain geolocations change host and domain name providers IMHO
my 2 rupees :)
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"I have put Yahoo as the default search engine on the computers of my company "
Though I like Yahoo because of my top rankings and even if Google have screw me many times I got Google toolbar and all my searches are from Google ,not because is a trend is just because is easy to download and fast,Yahoo's biggest mistake is that daily they try a new portal template with stupid and useless images.They forget that we live in speed times and I got no patience to see yahoo's new design.
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You can get the Yahoo search without all the portal crap

[search.yahoo.com...]

[search.yahoo.co.uk...]

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I have put Yahoo as the default search engine

Believe me, I'm a prophet of a lesser God, my predictions come true only by accident, but sometimes I get lucky.
Like last year, when I said on another forum: let's not call Google cool all the time or they will start behaving like monopolists.
Well, a year has passed and Google's dismissive attitude towards the search engine death of so many is conspicuous.
So what's the morale? It's investment rule #1: sell your stocks before the board does.

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