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Google Update Bourbon Part 2

May 2005

         

steveb

6:19 pm on May 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]



"We know how the webmasters feel about this update."

No, that is zero sum game. The most useless posts here are from people saying the serps on some datacenter suck or are good because their own stuff ranks bad or good on that datacenter. Not only does nobody else care, there is someone thinking the exact opposite due to how their stuff is ranking.

In any case (repeating mantra from past several updates), a lot folks should consider that screw ups are not deliberate policies. Google has been a technical mess for more than a year now, just over two years really. Allegra was just a blip of an update, but was a huge technical disaster. Google also has a horrible time figuring out canonical pages, particularly when webmasters deliberately do inconsistent things.

This update seems to me to be another minor bit of shuffling, with the added "bonus" of a lot of anomalies, most caused by lazy or uniformed webmastering (meaning if you have been reading webmasterworld and haven't had a 301 on for non-www and www since at least last summer, you only have yourself to blame).

I see almost no changes in my niches, except... a HUGE increase in straight redirect domains. This tactical trash gets discovered fairly quickly but apparently a new tactic has been discovered and needs to be squashed; authority sites performing same as recently; sites still in the sandbox dumped back to pre-Allegra levels, while sites that got out of the sandbox with Allegra doing a bit better.

lorenzinho2

6:49 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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tigger, like EFV, did you have a www / non-www issue? if so, when did you fix it?

reseller

6:49 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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europeforvisitors

>My Google referrals were up 350% on Wednesday, and rankings for the keyphrases that I watch have jumped back to pre-March 23 levels--or higher in a few cases--so I'm feeling pretty relieved at the moment.<

That sound very encouraging for the rest of us. Keep those happy posts coming :-)

chopin2256

6:54 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To Tigger and EFV,

Where are you guys from? I am from New Jersey, and I see my lost rankings still.

reseller

6:58 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Have any of you folks heard from or seen today steveb or Dayo_UK?

We need some update on whats going on now on DCs.. URGENTLY. Thanks!

steveb

6:59 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Huh?

reseller

7:01 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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steveb

>Huh?<

Glad you are there :-)

Anything of interest happening on the DCs you keep an eye on? Thanks.

kamran mohammed

7:08 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone pls add fuel to this thread and update us as to which DC is worth keeping an eye on....

Please give the IP address..

Thanxs...

jaffstar

7:09 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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DC update for all of you:

Yesterday , Algo 2 on this ip : 216.239.59.10

Was on 4 DC's (am), by (pm) it was on 10 DC's, and this morning its on over 20.

This is the kicker of an Algo, loving what I am seeing. Put my money on it propogating over to www1-3.

tigger

7:14 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>did you have a www / non-www issue? if so, when did you fix it?

nope I didn't have that problem just waited. I'm based in the UK hosting & name is here too, the odd thing is according to G's cache the index hasn't been crawled since 9 May but a link I place on the page to a new site was crawled yesterday, odd as its a PR6 index

kamran mohammed

7:15 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanxs Jaffstar..

But that Dc is not accessible.

But this update Bourbon looks something serious and i have seen most of the sites r now out of sandbox.....now the site owners need to be informed...
Atlast...:)

Thanxs,

KaMran Mohammed:-)

reseller

7:16 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jaffstar

You mean 216.239.59.104?

kamran mohammed

7:20 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanxs Jaffstar...

now it's working 216.239.59.104

if u see ur previous message u wrote by mistake
216.239.59.10 and that was the reason it was not accessible...

wel thanxs a lot...and this DC is also worth to have a look.. 64.233.167.104

Regards,

KaMran Mohammed :-)

jaffstar

7:23 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sorry lost the "4" when copying and pasting:

The DC is 216.239.59.104

kamran mohammed

7:25 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There is some diff in both the DC results coz i m seeing a small up and down of results,...but i m sure something really big is happening....

Regards,

KaMran Mohammed ;-)

kamran mohammed

7:27 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey Jaffstar..
It was nice to see ur prompt replies....gald abt it..
BTW whr r u from..

Thanxs,

KaMran Mohammed ;-)

phantombookman

7:29 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.59.104

Roll that one out, hope this is a sign of the final outcome

Powdork

7:33 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes I like that one too! Bring it on.

needinfo

7:34 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I can definately see the 216.239.59.104 results on google.com and google.co.uk from where we are in the UK.

jaffstar

7:34 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.59.104

This one has already rolled out on my regional google from my home pc.

However, when i arrived at work pc, it shows a different ip.

These results seem to boost me by 150 places.

Hopefully light at the end of the tunnel.

reseller

7:35 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.59.104

I see also some backlinks update on this one. Any of you folks see the same?

kamran mohammed

7:42 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes Jaffstar ..
even i see a Back Link Update..
But for me.it is bad coz it's showing less in number...or may be i can .after they finish ranking update they will be on with BL update...

Google is working HARD...

KaMran Mohammed ;-)

jaffstar

7:48 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have gone down in links, up in rankings.

kamran mohammed

7:52 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Same here with me also...JaffStar

and now i m seeing some amazing results in UK...

my rankings are improving....Good News..Cheers..

but Backlinks i see the same old links in UK....

Regards,

KaMran Mohammed :-)

Dayo_UK

8:34 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)



DCs all over the shop at the moment.

The page rank that was updated for a couple of sites that have fix caconical url problems has not spread any further.

And the backlink update has not spread further either.

Ranking did really switch last night (In light of the Page Rank not spreading and others increasing who did not have a 301 redirect in place then perhaps this is a fix from Google? for some sites - rather than the 301 kicking in.)

Dont think we are anywhere near finished though.

thecityofgold2005

8:54 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Since yesterday .co.uk and .com are showing the results that sparked this thread (64.). Everything is still up in the air though I feel. dc's are showing very varied links, pr, and number of results for my keywords.

One interesting thing is that the .co.uk results now show 2.6million results whereas pre bourbon they showed 4.6million.

My serps are now dominated by spamming sites. In my field it seems to work to have near identical mirror sites, all cross-linking. The #1 position has long been such a site (also has #15, #20, #21) and now a new example is at #6.

Dayo_UK

9:00 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)



Oh Yeah

A site which I was talking about yesterday re supplemental that I helped someone with is really cleaning up this morning.

Which is great - except most of the pages Google is sending visitors too are 404 or out of date products. (Wonder if he will call me this evening saying why he is getting enquiries about products he no longer stocks)

Hmmmm.

kamran mohammed

9:09 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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CityOfGold :

Since yesterday .co.uk and .com are showing the results that sparked this thread (64.). Everything is still up in the air though I feel. dc's are showing very varied links, pr, and number of results for my keywords.

Yes u r right..but even i m seeing some Up's and Down's in the results from .ca and .uk but .ca is in my favor..with top ranking...wel lets see what will be the outcome of this update..

Cheers!

RichTC

9:15 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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On first glance it looked like it was the 104 results being used and certainly on looking at certain keyords in it, it looks that way. However, a good volume of keywords have not changed to those results.

Updates still going on by the looks of it

reseller

9:17 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I see google.com from where I am showing the same updated backlinks that I see on
216.239.59.104 .

uksports

9:20 am on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What is for sure this isn't finished - just checked some terms and on the current google.com results which for me is 216.239.59.99, it is absolutely chocked with supplemental pages, which from our site are months old - this has got to be the weirdest, most drawn out and dramatic update in history
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