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No, that is zero sum game. The most useless posts here are from people saying the serps on some datacenter suck or are good because their own stuff ranks bad or good on that datacenter. Not only does nobody else care, there is someone thinking the exact opposite due to how their stuff is ranking.
In any case (repeating mantra from past several updates), a lot folks should consider that screw ups are not deliberate policies. Google has been a technical mess for more than a year now, just over two years really. Allegra was just a blip of an update, but was a huge technical disaster. Google also has a horrible time figuring out canonical pages, particularly when webmasters deliberately do inconsistent things.
This update seems to me to be another minor bit of shuffling, with the added "bonus" of a lot of anomalies, most caused by lazy or uniformed webmastering (meaning if you have been reading webmasterworld and haven't had a 301 on for non-www and www since at least last summer, you only have yourself to blame).
I see almost no changes in my niches, except... a HUGE increase in straight redirect domains. This tactical trash gets discovered fairly quickly but apparently a new tactic has been discovered and needs to be squashed; authority sites performing same as recently; sites still in the sandbox dumped back to pre-Allegra levels, while sites that got out of the sandbox with Allegra doing a bit better.
You can't.
You can either use frontpage to build the site and upload it another way, or delete that code before you publish each time, then re-add it after you publish (not hard at all with cpanel).
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Those two dcs with the goofball results in my niche now have gone to similar to other dc results, the blogbomb dropped, but still with redirects.
Google owes you nothing...
You shouldn't have focused on Google Search...
You should diversify...
You should find other streams of revenue...
And, I have a new one - Why don't you SEOs go into teaching since you can't make it in the real world. <justkidding>
Now back to the thread - 3,000 page views/day lost? That is nothing. I've lost 20,000 views and $800 dollars a day in adsense.
4.5 year old site (all of 250 pages), top 10 for many hundreds of keyword searches (still good in Yahoo).
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And, just had the Adsense rep review my site - it says to widen my pages a bit and add another (2nd) backlink to the homepage (which I just removed from all pages).
And, he wondered why I removed Google search and replaced it with Yahoo search... teehee.
In any case, I hope you banked some of that dough. I don't feel quite as badly as I was nowhere near those numbers.
I did a KW search on Yahoo and Google today. My site came up #301 on G, #3 and #5 on Yahoo. From a purely pedestrian standpoint, I'd say Yahoo has them beat, hands down.
To those who continue to monitor this madness, I ask, is it worth all this BS every month? We're past 5 days of the current nonsense, and hoping that it will all get better is likely wishful thinking. What about last month, next month, November, next March?
To tell you the truth, it's never been worth my time to play Google's games and this is just too much. The other SEs get the results right, what's Google's problem?
I think these guys have had it, if they ever "had" it at all.
Noticed the other day that G removed me from their version of DMOZ... cute... I suspect it stems from the URL removal tool 90 day, no i mean 6 month exclusion fiasco in Feb.
I wonder who I have to puff-on at G to get this fixed?
This would actually be funny if it wasn't so sad. And sad isn't even the right word. Absurd is closer.
If ever a Google rep makes a claim that their company is good at search, ask him/her how many shots of morphine they've taken today, because they surely are on drugs over at the 'plex.
Um, if you're getting $800 a day out of it except during updates, I'd say the answer is probably yes. (-:
Seriously, guys, you're talking about free advertising from Google's search engine here. I don't mind the complaints about the glitchy update or the spammy SERPs in the slightest, but the moaning about how Google is ruining people's lives and driving unstable webmasters to suicide is... well, it's a little extreme, don't you think?
I'm sure everyone can still afford a beer. It sounds like a lot of folks could use one, and a bit of a break from stressing about it all, at the moment. (-:
One thing I know for sure...
In its quest to become the most user friendly SE for the average joe/jane seacher, google has become the most user unfriendly SE for the average publisher.
To be honest with you, over 5 months, I've had some great days, but mostly they're less than inspiring and a lot of my time was spend fiddling with code and Adsense. And now, to see my page view drop to the lowest levels since Jan 1, it's disheartening, and one wonders if the effort is really worth it.
Google obviously can change anything any time they like, so I realistically cannot gamble my future on it. It's always been unstable - no consistent results - and usually the reward for adding content seems to be worse results - either lower pried clicks, lower CPM, etc., or now, lower traffic. Lovely! Just $*%(#^O lovely!
I'm done with these corpomegalomaniacs. There has to be a better way, when my site shows up in the top 5 on Yahoo and MSN for certain keyword phrases and 75-301 on Google.
THEY are screwed up, not me, not my code, not Yahoo and MSN. Google Fu**ed up. Face the facts. Search results that wildly different don't happen by accident.
I'm ranting, and I will probably continue to rant until people wake the hell up and realize that one-sided open ended contracts, complete and total control by one side is not a good deal for you.
Google's going to lose big time on this update and the other 80 million things they have their hands in.
"Clean" content sites that took a hit on March 23 are now making a gradual comeback.
My response: why should clean content sites have to make a "comeback" to begin with. They didn't on the other search engines.
Seriously, guys, you're talking about free advertising from Google's search engine here.
My response: Google is getting all that free search results from our sites. There is, after all, robots.text and if this isn't straightened out by May 31, I'll remove the adsense and ban the googlebot.
Maybe some of you want to play this game. I've completely lost it.
I agree completely with this. Out of the top ones, only OURs is now missing. In fact even one of our other closely related domains is still performing as before. It's like they took particular domains and manually penalized them.
Also on this note, I was looking at our list of pages indexed using "site:" and just within the site results of our unaffected domains the previously high ranking, key pages (i.e. generally higher PR) still show up in the listings first. Whereas on the "penalized" domains, the pages are all randomly scrambled with the formerly top listing key pages somewhere in the middle. Almost like they clipped their PR down. When they appear in the SERPs at all under former keywords, our PR5/6's are ranking consistently with a 2 PR penalty in with the current PR3/4's. I defy G to claim "there is no penalty!"
Notice there still has not been a single word from GG anywhere to be seen.
As for the DCs with the unused SERPS...will those ever get updated to the new SERPS or just sit around not being used?
Notice there still has not been a single word from GG anywhere to be seen.
By the way, I should mention that I'm gonna be on vacation for a week, starting in around an hour. My sweetie (yes, GoogleGuy has a sweetie) has threatened to hide my laptop while I'm not working, so don't be surprised if my post count holds steady at 2750 or whatever it is for a while.
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Disclaimer: That's just one Webmaster's piece of the puzzle.
I can live with that, but its hard to look when you cant find yourself with unique keywords, with site name. Every backlink to you is above you.
And its hard to remain calm when Google representatives sends dumb standard email - you are not penalized... Due to the addition of new sites and updates to the content of existing pages, some pages may appear to no longer return for particular keywords. When this happens, it's generally the case that we haven't lost the page entirely, but simply that other pages now rank higher than it does for a particular keyword.
Yea right with more than 10.000 keywords within one day site disappeared.... but the site is not penalized :))
I'm ranting, and I will probably continue to rant until people wake the hell up and realize that one-sided open ended contracts, complete and total control by one side is not a good deal for you."
You are not the only one at a loss here! We are going on a 6 figure loss of income! It is useless to sit here and whine. Plain and simple. It makes your next decisions irrational and based on despiration rather than clear thinking. Stop and use the brain and find a way through and beyond or you will wind up in a worse position. Refocus yourself.
Good luck to ya!
[edited by: arubicus at 5:44 am (utc) on May 26, 2005]
>And Googlebot has already been busy with the deepest crawl that I've seen in months: 7,752 hits on my roughly 4,300-page site during Wednesday.<
I have noticed the same on my site; Googlebot has been very active since yesterday (wednesday). Donīt know whether that has any effect on my site ranking on the serps.
>Disclaimer: That's just one Webmaster's piece of the puzzle.<
The same apply here :-)
Thank you for your reply. We really appreciate your honest feedback, and we'll keep it in mind as we work to improve Google.
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only half of it might have gone thru.
indian datacenters doesn't reflect any change.
But can anyone please tell which is the updated DC that we can keep an eye on....coz updated DC is very imp..usually whenever u search u see a different results..can i pls know the Dc IP so that i can keep a track...
Regards,
KaMran :-)
Our home page is outranked by 34 scrapers, 4 non-existent internal pages that are supplemental results, and 2 random low pr internal pages.
Something about this update is causing Google to treat dead cobrands that have long since been 301'd to the primary url as more important than the primary url.
Supplemental, non-existent pages are outranking critical pages of the site, although those critical pages have hundreds, if not thousands of inbound links. Legacy pages that have been 301'd to newer pages now outrank those newer, optimized pages.
I see the chaos caused by this update as a result of a technical glitch related to how Google handles redirects, and related to identifying a site's primary url. The theory that Google's attempt to solve the 302 hijacking problem has someone broken their ability to handle 301 redirects (as well as identify a site's primary url) rings true to me.
I don't see a business decision to exclude certain sites, I don't see a conspiracy to drive more adwords sales, and I don't see any major shake up in how sites are valued and ranked - i see a technical screw up, plain and simple.
same here kicked in around 7 last night traffic has increase 3X
>My Google referrals were up 350% on Wednesday, and rankings for the keyphrases that I watch have jumped back to pre-March 23 levels--or higher in a few cases--so I'm feeling pretty relieved at the momentsame here kicked in around 7 last night traffic has increase 3X
Im glad you guys are back :) Did you two lose your rankings completely? Or just a little bit?
No luck for me still. I don't think I will be regaining my rankings anytime soon. All DC's show me burried in all the spam, geocities, and lycos nonsense sites.
