Update Allegra - Google Update 2-2-2005

[illusionist]

My site which came back on december 26 update, seems to have disappeared again on this data center [216.239.53.99...] . Its notwhere to be found even in allinanchor, allintitle etc? I see majot change on that data center, is this a new update?

[Jalinder]

In this update google is making 302 redirects to "Object Moved". That's a big improvement.

[natural number]

ever click that "Help Us Improve" in google, and tell them your site should be there in the results? I hope they don't cut my head off as punishment.

[WebFusion]

I love Brixton. He is admittedly black hat, gets hit by Google, and cries foul.

That made me laugh as well...

"I can't believe google has nuked my spam - how dare they, they're really losing relevance if they eliminate my spammy sites!"

The thought processes of some people astound me.

[mfishy]

Unfortunately, this DC looks to be old...I would not hold my breath if you are there only...

216.239.39.104

[walkman]

Checking McDar I do good in these:

[216.239.53.99...]
[216.239.39.99...]
[216.239.37.104...]
[216.239.37.147...]
[216.239.37.99...]
[216.239.39.104...]

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]
[64.233.171.105...]
[64.233.171.147...]
[216.239.37.105...]

[64.233.161.105...]
[64.233.161.147...]
[66.102.7.104...]
[66.102.7.105...]
[66.102.7.147...]
[66.102.7.99...]

17 total DCs where myname.com shows on top and not on number 340. What a concept :)

How do you guys do on these? I'm not sure if these are pre-allegra (> Feb 1st) or just a rollback of Allegra part II (around the 6th). Is this a normal number of DCs to keep "old" data for G or we can hope?

[edited by: walkman at 8:47 pm (utc) on Feb. 8, 2005]

[BigUns]

The latest Vegas Over/Under for the Allegra Update:

Allegra Update finished* (before/after): Wed, Feb 9 2005 9:00 PM PST
# Posts in this thread: 895
# Pages in Google Index: 12 Billion
# Suicides as result of Allegra: 11
# Random Homicides as result of Allegra: 3
# Email Complaints and Threats to Google Employees: 1,742

* Allegra Update finished shall be determined by puffs of smoke emanating from the Googleplex followed shortly thereafter by an announcement from GG: "We Have a New Google"

Also, prominent VIPs and ordinary citizens have begun to speak out:

"The only thing we have to fear .... is the Google Update itself." - F.D.Roosevelt

"The Google Allegra Update - It's a Good Thing." - M. Stewart

"I've always believed Googling should be saved for Marriage." - J. Falwell

"The Google Allegra Update? Why the hell would I care about that." - ordinary citizen

[edited by: BigUns at 9:38 pm (utc) on Feb. 8, 2005]

[Macro]

The latest Vegas Over/Under for the Alexa Update:

Alexa Update finished* (before/after): Wed, Feb 9 2005 9:00 PM PST
# Posts in this thread: 895
# Pages in Google Index: 12 Billion
# Suicides as result of Alexa: 11
# Random Homicides as result of Alexa: 3
# Email Complaints and Threats to Google Employees: 1,742

* Alexa Update finished shall be determined by puffs of smoke emanating from the Googleplex followed shortly thereafter by an announcement from GG: "We Have a New Google"

Also, prominent VIPs and ordinary citizens have begun to speak out:

"The only thing we have to fear .... is the Google Update itself." - F.D.Roosevelt

"The Google Alexa Update - It's a Good Thing." - M. Stewart

"I've always believed Googling should be saved for Marriage." - J. Falwell

"The Google Alexa Update? Why the hell would I care about that." - ordinary citizen

And, who is Alexa? :)

[RichD]

That list also looks like pre part II to me. My main site is back to #1 for a 'sitename' search, from the 40s. Other positions are roughly as they were on Friday.

Hopefully it is a roll back, rather than a glitch befor the go forward again. Thanks for making the list, gives me a little hope.

[mfishy]

walkman, unfortunately, those appear to be pre update :(

[stargeek]

walkman,
those aren't preupdate.
the effects of several google bombs are seen on those dcs where they weren't seen before the update. currently google.com shows the effects.

[walkman]

"the effects of several google bombs are seen on those dcs where they weren't seen before the update. currently google.com shows the effects. "

can you elaborate on the bomb part and the difference?

[mfishy]

Also, those dc's do not seem to be serving results to google.com, walkman. I know this as I rank high on termson those dc's that normally bring thousands of daily visitors and am getting next to ZERO G visitors on those sites...

[Liane]

vabtz

This data center has what I recently saw and what I expect [216.239.39.104...]

this [216.239.37.99...] is showing some terrible stuff ( for me )

The interesting thing ( to me ) is that both have updated the pages with my recent deep crawl on the 6th and 7th and I am seeing my new pages on both.

Have you checked the incoming links to those pages? Do they match. My guess is they don't match and that the data centers are still in the process of calculating PR which would account for the change in rank on different data centers.

Still dancing for several data centers I've been watching and I haven't heard any fat ladies singing.

Is there a reason you guys keep baiting Brixton? Do you really think he needs encouragement to post more of the same? :(

[Rollo]

Walkman...

I'm now in all of the data centers you listed save [64.233.161.105...] and [64.233.161.147....]

Yesterday I went from showing up in four of them to none to today's encouraging results. These DCs are definately post-allegra results.

For those of you who think it's a pathetic waste of time to check dc results ... that took about 5 minutes, far less time than I waste watching commercials during a single half hour TV show (and oh so much more entertaining).

I don't know about you, but get a serious buzz watching my main bread winner coming back in the planet's most popular search engine.

[vabtz]

Liane thanks for the tip.

I just checked backlinks and they are the same.

All and all I think I know where I stand now.

Some wins, some loses nothing major either way though for me.

[AlexK]

At the risk of incurring a duplicate penalty on WW, since I cannot edit my old post here it is with an addition (since this *is* supposed to be Google news rather than my-site news):

Very consistent visitor drops on my site following this Google update (average loss from Google is 51%):

Thu 3 Feb: 28%
Fri 4 Feb: 30%
Sat 5 Feb: 27%
Sun 6 Feb: 26%
Mon 7 Feb: 28%

(compared to the average of the same day, previous 3/4 weeks) (actual visitor numbers in 4 figures daily).

[willmullis]

I am experiencing the same as Rollo, my site has made dramatic moves in all the DCs except for the two that he mentioned.

Google.com still shows a ranking of #16 for my main keyword while all the DCs(except for those two) show it as #6.

[ltedesco]

Does anybody think that the anchor: keyword has any relevance with future results after Allegra Update?

[steveb]

Those two have the worst disappearing sites from what I see.

[walkman]

"I'm now in all of the data centers you listed save [64.233.161.105...] and [64.233.161.147....] "
I'm not there either. Something happened or I copied the wrong line. Either way, My bad ;). The fact that we're not alone, most likely means that it's a glitch.

[george123]

same here all the others OK

[willmullis]

Are you guys seeing the same on google.com as you see on the DCs? I'm still seeing different results.

[Rollo]

I image Google.com will probably be the last place to show the changes...

[trimmer80]

one of my sites has had a huge increase (approx 80%). Interestingly enough the end pages on this site are not targeted at particular words. Instead they contain alot of related content as they show products from the same category.
Other sites that had pages with very targeted money phrases have dropped.
To me this seems like the LSI / page themeing theory. The page where the search phrase has a lower density but much related text are more successful.

I guess the saying 'content is king' is now more applicable than ever.

[Chico_Loco]

I think thie update has run its course.

Had Google of cared that our sites were missing, then I'm sure they could have done something to bring them back. I think that Google are confident in that their new results are better. Perhaps for the phrases they monitor, they are?

I don't know why Google would consider a 3rd party website to be more appropriate than my own website, for a search of my specific and unique brand.

GoogleGuy, we know you're reading this, and you posted the other day in another thread, so I'll see what info I can get from you, with or without your participation.

I respect your position as an employee / executive of a public company (one that I don't own but have friends that do.)

GoogleGuy, if Google is confident in it's newest index, then come on here and state as such, That you are confident with this update and that you see no need for immediate change.

IF you do know of a bug / glitch, then say nothing, don't post, and this will be evidence enough of a bug in the Google system. I'm sure other webmasters here will accept silence to carry this meaning too - since we know you could never say it directly on account of your position, and we know that if you were confident in Google's database that you would have no problem publically stating as such, in fact it would be promotion.

I don't think we're asking for much, not in return for all that we webmasters have done in building Google, and securing all of you guys as multi-millionaires. But maybe we were fools to give to Google? Maybe those little boys (Larry & Serge), which we all thought as cute computer nerds, were underestimated. Maybe their plan all along was to sneak in as a cute teddy bear and transform into something which really isn't as inviting., once they had emassed a good following.

So, after a week of mayhem - the "reply" button is to the top right:

GoogleGuy, are those sites which have recently vanished gone for good, or are gone temporarily.

You Post = Gone for Good (You love the update)
No Post = Back Shortly (There's a bug or something which you can't talk about, but you're working on it)

[itloc]

to Chico_Loco:

A statement from GoogleGuy is impossible. The only thing he could write is something like:

"Wait until this update is over and our index is complete. We're not done yet and most of the factors we need to weight results are not in..."

itloc

[egomaniac]

I don't think this update is done yet. Or maybe a better way to put is that it hasn't been completely rolled out to all of the data centers yet.

I am still seeing differences among the datacenters, both in actual sites present/not-present in the SERPs and for quantity of results. One SERP I watch is returning anywhere frmo 22M results to 45M results, depending on the datacenter.

And depending on when I hit the search button on my toolbar, I get different results for the same searches.

Its been awhile since we've had a big update, so my observation skills are a bit rusty... but I believe we used to call an update "done" when all of the datacenters were showing the same results.

Humorous Note: I am such a search geek that I have had the Google News Forum set as my home page of my browser for the last couple of years. I didn't even notice until today that WebmasterWorld ARCHIVED the old Google News forum! I noticed it today, and found this thread! Doh!

[Keski]

Tonight was the first time that my site ranked #1 on "sitename" search on a DC since we dropped and at the same time had the updated nr of backlinks at the same DC. This gives me a little hope.

[Localizer]

Quite sure it's not over yet.

My site had 900 pages indexed and it raised to 1200 last days. Checking the DC's, 5 of them are indexing almost 4000 pages at the moment.

Can't wait till they kick in.

[walkman]

I wonder if G checks these threads, says "they stopped #*$!ing, it must be fine" and leave it as it is.