Forum Moderators: mack
At the expense of repeating myself, I'm going to repeat myself. :-) Here are the guidelines I'm trying to follow when I post here:
I won't discuss the problems of particular sites in any public forum. As long as I can handle the volume, I'm happy to get "sticky" messages, though.
I also won't discuss competitors here -- they have their own forums, and I figure they already have enough people talking about them. :-)
I will not preannounce anything specific here; I might say "we're working extra hard over the summer to fight Spam," but I'm not going to post something like "look for a giant spam-killer release on April first!" After a release goes out and someone notices it, THEN I'll comment on it. If no one notices it, it probably wasn't worth talking about anyway.
Finally, I'm not going to reveal any secret Intellectual Property that would help someone build their own search engine or hack ours. Most of it's hard to explain anyway. :-)
[edited by: engine at 1:54 pm (utc) on June 5, 2006]
For one website I have, my index page was removed twice, and I had to contact msn search twice to have i reinstated. Noth times they mentioned the page was accidentally removed by their se because the bot thought it was spam. Not very encouraging, as the site is nbot spammy in the least.
One website I have which is a community portal and does use adsense, was dropped for its major keywords right off the map. In the meantime, google and yahoo have it listed as #2 and 3 respectively for the same terms.
Much work needed here...
If SEs would work together to fight spam then that would help everybody (except spammers).
One of the problems with the present MSN is that it has traded spamsites for affilliate sites. Hardly an improvement for the end user.
The present "update" is a brave effort, but if G
oogle can't achieve the result MSN seems to be aiming at, then neither can MSN.
Are you comparing spam sites with Affiliate sites? Affiliate sites can't be compared to spam sites. Affiliate sites provide information about specific product and Spam sites only redirects to paid search results.
I'm am an Affiliate and operate many Affiliate sites. I have written hundreds of quality reviews on specific products.
>>Hardly an improvement for the end user.>>>
Do you really know what an end user want? They want information , more and more information on what they are purchasing.
I affiliate sites do very well on Google, Yahoo and MSN. And yes my sites deserve it.
MSN new update is much more cleaner. Spam sites have been killed. I'm impressed.
If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.
Maybe your site has unique and relevant content, but most affiliate sites don't.
In regard to the lack of "authority sites", it's always good to have an alternative to results a la Google.
I see better control over spammy sites.
This update is a good step towards a better net.
Much work needed here... "
It makes somoeone LOL when reading comments as the above ie: my page does'nt rank at this SE so the SE needs work to be done...or in other wordswhen my page will rank accordingly ,then the particular SE will be just Great:-)
Treating non-spam sites as being spam sites and removing them from the index is not exactly what I would call a better net.
It's a good thing that MSN is fighting spam, but they still have a long way to go before we can use the term "better net".
I have a real estate website
When I search state real estate my site come up like 300.
When I search real estate state my site comes up #1
Does that make any sense?
On Yahoo and Google I am #1 both ways.
Hope they fix it
It's pretty nice to have an alternative to results a la Google or a la Yahoo.
Viva MSN!
MSN to be called the MOM and POP search engine.
A lot of mom and pop shop are now found in the results. Less authority sites more spam and less know sites.
Looks like MSN wants the big sites to pay up for advertising?
I think we need a new search engine called JustGoodResults.com
JGR.com...Sounds like a great idea...sign me up Serg
seriously
What changes have you made?
I checked the new top 2 sites for my keyphrase, and I find ...
1st site:
Keyprase used exactly once, as a navigation link.
It does not appear in any title, meta, h1, alt, bold, underline, etc.
2nd site:
Keyphrase used exactly twice, once in title and once on-page. It's one of those clickbank type pages with 100% advertising. This site appears 5 times within the first 50 matches too.
I don't think there's much I can learn from this.
1. backlinks
2. keyword density
3. domain name
1. The more backlinks help but not exact matches.
2. keywords in title and once on the page, no alt tags
3. domain name helps.
So basicly reduce your keywords on your page and any other spammy internal links. Kept it simple no H1 tags.
You will need the backlinks there already, I had 6000.
Its easy to try it out and I know it works, I have 50 websites and have tried it on some and they all moved up.
The update made some of the inner pages of my site perform better.
So I fully recommend Tabke's recommendations to get pretty good rankings in MSN.
Viva MSN Search!
Any tips appreciated.
http:/domain.extension/?q=Degrees
anyone clue me in on what that means?
My site has neither ..but those 2 issues clearly stand out on the first 2 pages of results ..so it does appear to mean some sort of penalty applied ..or am i stretching?
H1 and H2 tags are proper html and are part of good site development and hierarchy. Removing them because a search engine can't get em right is going backwards in terms of proper site development.
The results at msn.com are really not even worth discussing at this point. What was horribly bad has somehow taken another step backwards, and I can't even begin to comment on the new series of results which are plaguing MSN.com at this time.
